Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2019 11:01:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 07 07:01:14 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iHQlO-0003Md-5t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2019 07:01:14 -0400 Received: from st.lingfil.uu.se ([130.238.78.148]:37732 helo=numerus.lingfil.uu.se) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <starback@HIDDEN>) id 1iHQlH-0003MN-6g for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Oct 2019 07:01:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numerus.lingfil.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086A4A1E6003; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:01:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at lingfil.uu.se X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-9999 required=6.2 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, MISSING_FROM=1] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from numerus.lingfil.uu.se ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (numerus.lingfil.uu.se [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DbkbaNTgFcf3; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from numerus.lingfil.uu.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by numerus.lingfil.uu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140DA1E6002; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:01:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from starback@localhost) by numerus.lingfil.uu.se (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id x97B13xF016405; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:01:03 +0200 From: starback@HIDDEN (Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck?=) To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 13:01:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 03 Oct 2019 21:46:11 +0300") Message-ID: <sa5blus7rbk.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN>, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Once again, it makes no sense to have the UI direction right-to-left > when the labels are all in English. If anything, it looks UUGLEEE! I generally don't like half-done localization. I've reported it as a bug a long time ago that dired buffers use current locale when listing files in dired buffers so they show non-English dates in an environment otherwise in English, but that was then seen as a feature.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#11016; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2019 09:56:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 05 05:56:43 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43774 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iGgnr-0000HY-DP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:56:43 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:53727) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1iGgnn-0000GH-O3 for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:56:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1570269384; bh=zJdJ5SzoGWdtB3WyJX8dCXmkPCmGmHdTZ+eqg3oVki4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=e3p86HFRgvuMN7u1R9mIHPx7QhuKO9VKgTuBk9RNM3RHVd3MkIlsV6dCu9HWv4Ozy 9VEn1tAYccVc6AvoqCfkqlN2WTFzou8iwaurlEbGfeTdXLYd8w4O7f6Tidg07puhvQ 5oJSFiVp2+zpZ316QiKBI1kZJcSQlMTMPR+tCQHg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.156]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N4Qwg-1i9a180QZ4-011UsX; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 11:56:24 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> <efe5ee29-25f0-59a2-d9ae-32e759c49644@HIDDEN> <83pnjb4jsg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <7a690278-5332-6021-65b5-681c04a1ebdc@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 11:56:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83pnjb4jsg.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:p+6H1qCj4p1yFC5js4cYvy8rmj/ADDn5l23rDaK3k+IKCFxfsda wCjW46p9RbbYDprgO/8ct7DdI6rReqYZgQ6lOcttNILQ0Efpf4TGP0DPbUSWfFmBR81Ie8d 5wGNUeQgP+RImm7gN0lV4mhOsfLoNJ3ULdH5K0vRLmGAQwotCvQuptPk1IdYyCP2JQEnUhP cjQAa5863IUvuLc3x1JMg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Nmi86PRzyEI=:4A9Sc8PIvteT8peEG2DXVF 69suQ9K7ModrFv0br/ftULMfim1MeOYPwRvXjF+XRGHO+sHNRgFqTle/Lvo6ojuONWy3csIN5 jOM/HfOnAP3h1mXi/n+gSl9uS5ExWkMDxGd97q0CldM7Xl333sBLRou8OrErONq029JB4sx49 4ne8pM/NR03AFPO9Mky5QCrtfxBC0gPQc973X/xKQJEpaKNZ74S+1dZ0XE5XwViH0nt2JMGmW IWBcE8a3K7e0abv/G8iUpLXPwruMurs72v2GvVjW+XiQYflFd36pp1WojPSxxgSJ8qinZFSnP qq/2grrQXrM2Bv7fBT5NST1FHN95dg2EC0i0x9Yv+7ShjLxZBTvOfylzMTnLf9gd/i5rmwET1 vx2n7L0gfJ8ph77KSpXNIbgYioft6p5alfYb7+FWnv5a7wjUqyE17oop8B7B6gBNASwIz6IH0 Ps+Wbc7E9UfrgRmmI48wuTkyxZwgqZYgbZkD25x0Gq+65PJqLl4S14uX2qyhGEpFmqRd5UgYf Y6WQczGNEx2O8PX7yPZp4BIcBRMa8sFmJxjG3sobP7KkNS9BoMjwNi6iCjJVgRyO0HYXO59WY v9UXkeJlRzNzrHKT216KSqKwr2aUiF1nug/vXhxbkwp0zgmMmUeCBrj/Ejj1YgnKGx35+Jh2j O0M8TQ/LksxI2sVpA1lyUxZ2xEtxS35WeuHGVK1BMnUdurGILJV+888u6jHXPyB7VL970lr0s r2ggrVZ+JCsWe202fvtt//wkEeULliKc/5GnGcSYX/IJY7Ym0eX+gHWzDmWANNk6w+KTvrRn7 eQYIMAmXeOs7v1algfH7xp9U/8kVgkr5RLb7UUQvcSeEePWmQWNpMfgWPFsxvwG6g2u8rOcaM w3L5UhoyF2hTufOF/TH18lrV0UUmk/dwRhId1xlTLEDMu9C4nmwhHVuMzTQH5ksEG/VxfjhOs L6DWnhEW/s71JWwCvhkcPPXuSb7ck7QTxFjDz4IzA9ToHnTM+k6JD7W9YkLuO5vOGeMmMGsoe wVoofuLDWYBy+EKjXL64wJlCUBmDTPfHA7j48Tfx+9BHdS7FWsDzoKtbX89/2mKHmuNwAtUu5 mzR4Lz+YDmjUY48F4jDSG9BG8lGv+n2WdyBP2dGAfpG64E12QDDRTqk3QmJy4vv0ClFs3sqhy raTCHQ27Jjdw8RqFEqhlhAD+DVuodbo1CHwRbfRjtYWM89/T/dYvtBjLK1MFGElmSkMLfEY+j LJVsO7Xx3EKM1bqs/bjxQ28c1AIYvcpdVi9t8IA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > If you are talking about GTK, then the corresponding option should be > a GTK setting, not an Emacs setting. Right? All I tried was to hardcode a R2L menubar by calling gtk_menu_bar_set_child_pack_direction with GTK_PACK_DIRECTION_RTL. But I got no effect. Maybe someone with some sort of a R2L locale could try? martin
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#11016; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2019 09:35:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 05 05:35:30 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43769 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iGgTK-0007bj-KJ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:35:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iGgTI-0007Zb-GH for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:35:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36588) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iGgTB-0001WO-Ue; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:35:21 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4068 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iGgTA-0007kg-TU; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:35:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2019 12:35:11 +0300 Message-Id: <83pnjb4jsg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <efe5ee29-25f0-59a2-d9ae-32e759c49644@HIDDEN> (message from martin rudalics on Sat, 5 Oct 2019 10:41:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> <efe5ee29-25f0-59a2-d9ae-32e759c49644@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 10:41:31 +0200 > > > Once again, it makes no sense to have the UI direction right-to-left > > when the labels are all in English. If anything, it looks UUGLEEE! > > Obviously, such an option would be needed to allow users to override > the default behavior in their locale. If you are talking about GTK, then the corresponding option should be a GTK setting, not an Emacs setting. Right?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#11016; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2019 08:41:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 05 04:41:45 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iGfdI-00056F-P3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 04:41:44 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:43657) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1iGfdH-000563-JI for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 04:41:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1570264892; bh=zc/2SKLEUZCVX2+2PDngmU2S2XEn+6J75/GX8+OaGoA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=SG7yK1KSw3PZae6v/LVtT9UL4tQfdoCwof62+JA/cA5eX/+EbQKnfla7lSFMRPI6h y6OzgXwzupdXLIabhD3MvjrKkllyzTxHu/V9j3b/t2+CWSMsUsIxrh6PBD8JosXJBy FJzq49qe0PO6EZYAiWunUd06bbWdIeqzil0Wn0Jg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.156]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MhD6W-1hdk2T47da-00eKf5; Sat, 05 Oct 2019 10:41:32 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <efe5ee29-25f0-59a2-d9ae-32e759c49644@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 10:41:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-AT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bjcIjtbR6M1HysNR7Kkhn02Iu539Lz7k9iuF27NJ9aewbgcEOsE RncFWDt8hq6TBVf0bhPm34TRaChd8ldHi6IhMH2MyMOfjHr0YR24GeIni9DBfwvBEUGfEZj uzSl8adObgDWT017kWpgAAMxY3dnVS2nEvdJpm4InfBWsU8aHo3My8FE31DpzRCvD7NrzPX Au89O+P8YCuTbCkMnFNdQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:dBz3a6k0Onc=:Ky/AJLLzKcGg2/ibjdebj4 caFOXkrd48T8+afOjb06vu80DcgNcbt0S3j19ki7TpPb+ZzxmljtrEdciiyDWIBouYhu+vbTB OXamHsTmRAmQhw4yGIOeNnUf173WXDIHFI2oC5DGgvkorfuoHbLyvB7lVixkLsvLJNPRuiQMa PBTVGqFuf83GXCBrYiuc5fUsdBVmVNhu3rANfPEnV5NrI4iP1uk+iSH6z8Dl0iJ1Fwno3w8aY VCvQw68DfHxq3u57eyNNPNSwX4zSF53gSG0OEqAibAagzNweVbbEKGRpbAk2qjr3eWeBbdgT9 GgRQao3RMdq21t8uiBocOzTQX5xqro8dGIR4oLCP22EK61dg3yKfceWPG5u9npAXE23G4Bt5Z KhWi9RjaUrVEWFpmltxHNIUNXkSZ0+6V+547k+HF9wQYtL/yF6609ef6YrW/+kC9zPKXig8GO xC92ANhv4CDCqCORut675R2rnJhbCI06xD+Oke5x9x5xiKDrXxM4YtzvHa4SSjtqfFgENWgPO m/oCu0RCORhaZZPg9zxXxMJbfhvSyAEs0tMC/UA+nd28+vrCotzU/l4aOsdaQ5WUjGQfvq8a6 WzISBm+rLzlY0mcnbxqKLZXtiQbmxL7La4ZheZpR8scu23TeAhxYxxJuhx/InbmkbtIQPtBVd HEpoX3AVfy8hRGR2aH82/rZQKVPULMKk/k/yIDq8UHiLmG0Ro118v0BnPgMRrjGDUNf8BtdYR GM4xDRp/T5cPFsFumeH5jgMRgOlYwUs5OtilZULwru1vCiQESNkbRG3jvPYlnJk+gHVIs6Jr3 OaATtwCvnF5RuVkwPgwQR7DOB8eOD2L40T902IgVgsJWCB9i8nSkzkZOC5BmyJUHhLNnZsd23 i4//vrbVjmV2zpRmv8SDuC2fwj2GpnCErOCjSUL/NC7ih7eo+6wwQU7o0p0+++g0IlIvT4qPX 7U9nvlW8hzuQeOkWiLFt5NGDRqWX4mYn+48aorNX/tiNfxIcXJRR0N4m5on0jDazkkecIM+ax oRqWyIWJzQb72XXbAu1MhipeO4KRl+rjltUdVavq0kyhxmbwlzX7tplC4OdDwojxxvyf7RF9G nCS5jFDyC1ZPTze5Pd4FbIVi7APzWVMelcP89gCGcW6eGAlYPJzVyZHkqW4MHlmauezf5DAy2 xFAd9yleC2EcZ2tnaKO641t/qQFLAmvCx1W0LbuT9rlI5b2+BAgX4VImv7jdDVQM+Ts2Ekwh+ NHqZLAQQSVMRoQT4OstDFpWJ5A3I0cCPeyW77naz0LZEef09mbSAmPYm9Wgc= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Once again, it makes no sense to have the UI direction right-to-left > when the labels are all in English. If anything, it looks UUGLEEE! Obviously, such an option would be needed to allow users to override the default behavior in their locale. And to keep the default behavior for those who are used to it. But I can't get it to work here anyway - the correspoding call is just ignored. martin
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Full text available.Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2019 18:46:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 03 14:46:38 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iG67Z-0007yM-RX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:46:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36422) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG67Y-0007yA-92 for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:46:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50601) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG67R-0007ax-Mz; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:46:29 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4366 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG67Q-0004FG-Vc; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 14:46:29 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 21:46:11 +0300 Message-Id: <838sq17jm4.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> (message from martin rudalics on Thu, 3 Oct 2019 20:10:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> <f1662eba-f776-749d-8c4d-6c265635383d@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN > From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 20:10:20 +0200 > > > Some prefer one, others prefer the other. It should be a separate > > user option, because there's no one-fits-all solution, and basing the > > solution on the locale is definitely wrong (one can work in a R2L > > locale without speaking any R2L language). > > We probably should use gtk_menu_bar_set_child_pack_direction right > after the gtk_menu_bar_new call in create_menus according to that user > option. Its values would probably be 'left-to-right', 'right-to-left' > and nil - to leave the decision to the locale. Once again, it makes no sense to have the UI direction right-to-left when the labels are all in English. If anything, it looks UUGLEEE!
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Full text available.Received: (at 11016) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2019 17:28:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 03 13:28:57 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41066 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iG4uP-0008EF-3c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 13:28:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53771) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG4uN-0008E2-HH for 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 13:28:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49278) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG4uH-0004rJ-22; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 13:28:49 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3627 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iG4uE-00078J-AH; Thu, 03 Oct 2019 13:28:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 20:28:29 +0300 Message-Id: <83ftk97n7m.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 03 Oct 2019 19:01:25 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI References: <qzzkbilnym.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bluxhifu.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 11016 Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, starback@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2019 19:01:25 +0200 > Cc: 11016 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > starback@HIDDEN (Per Starbäck) writes: > > > Using a locale with right-to-left writing, for example > > > > LANG=ar_EG.utf8 src/emacs-24.0.94.1 -Q > > > > I get the menu-bar and the tool-bar in the reverse direction, that is > > with the Help menu on the left and the File menu on the right, for > > example. > > This is a GTK thing. At least with ./configure --with-x-toolkit=motif > > it's not like this. Yes, because Emacs is smarter. Various GUI toolkits foolishly reverse the UI unconditionally based on the locale; Emacs does not. So when the menu bar and the tool bar are drawn by Emacs, you get the usual left-to-right UI. > I agree that it looks a bit odd -- but what do right-to-left users > expect in these instances? To have the "most important" menu to the > right or to the left? Some prefer one, others prefer the other. It should be a separate user option, because there's no one-fits-all solution, and basing the solution on the locale is definitely wrong (one can work in a R2L locale without speaking any R2L language). And, as the OP correctly points out, it makes no sense to provide a right-to-left UI when the menus and the labels on the tool-bar buttons cannot be localized, let alone "speak" the R2L language. Which is the single most important reason I didn't code such an option back when I worked on bidi Emacs. You can still see comments to that effect in xdisp.c.
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Subject: Re: bug#11016: 24.0.94; Right-to-left GUI
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Content preview: starback@HIDDEN (Per Starbäck) writes: > Using
a locale with right-to-left writing, for example > > LANG=ar_EG.utf8 src/emacs-24.0.94.1
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starback@HIDDEN (Per Starb=C3=A4ck) writes:
> Using a locale with right-to-left writing, for example
>
> LANG=3Dar_EG.utf8 src/emacs-24.0.94.1 -Q
>
> I get the menu-bar and the tool-bar in the reverse direction, that is
> with the Help menu on the left and the File menu on the right, for
> example.
> This is a GTK thing. At least with ./configure --with-x-toolkit=3Dmotif
> it's not like this.
>
> If emacs was localized with non-English menus this would be good, but
> since these things are in English anyway I think it only looks
> strange.
> (Also the mirroring affects the meanings of the values left and right
> for tool-bar-position.)
(I'm going through old Emacs bug reports that unfortunately got no
response at the time.)
I agree that it looks a bit odd -- but what do right-to-left users
expect in these instances? To have the "most important" menu to the
right or to the left?
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