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Subject: bug#11414: 23.2; Caps lock problem on English-Dvorak layout
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When switching to the English-Dvorak layout using C-\ or C-x RET C-\ ,
and then turning on caps lock, the following letters do not capitalize:
w, v, z, and s. Other letters capitalize just fine. Moreover, some
secondary punctuation marks appear without pressing the shift key. For
instance, when pressing the semi-colon/colon ';' key, the colon ';'
character appears. The following punctuation keys are affected:
comma/less-than, period/greater-than, and semi-colon/colon. All other
keys in the main typing area of the keyboard do not seem to be
affected. The above error occurs even when running 'emacs -Q' and in all
editable buffers.

Here is a brief overview of the environment. The hardware keyboard used
is a typical US ANSI (QWERTY) keyboard. The operating system is Trisquel
5.0 GNU/Linux with GNOME 2.32.1, with USA as the default keyboard
layout. The GNU Emacs version is 23.2 installed from the
repository. Locale settings are:

LANG=3Den_PH.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=3Den
LC_CTYPE=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_TIME=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES=3Den_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_NAME=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=3D

Pasted below are details generated using the report-emacs-bug command. I wi=
ll try to fix the problem myself, but in the meantime, I'm forwarding this =
bug report.

Thanks,
Gian

In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4)
=A0of 2011-04-04 on rothera, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11001000
configured using `configure=A0 '--build' 'i686-linux-gnu' '--build' 'i686-l=
inux-gnu' '--prefix=3D/usr' '--sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--libexecdir=3D/=
usr/lib' '--localstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--mand=
ir=3D/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=3Dyes' '--enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emac=
s23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs=
/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/=
share/emacs/23.2/leim' '--with-x=3Dyes' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk' '--with-to=
olkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=3Di686-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=3D-DDEBIAN -g -O2=
' 'LDFLAGS=3D-g' 'CPPFLAGS=3D''

Important settings:
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=A0 value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
=A0 value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
=A0 value of $LC_MESSAGES: en_US.UTF-8
=A0 value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
=A0 value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
=A0 value of $LC_TIME: nil
=A0 value of $LANG: en_PH.UTF-8
=A0 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
=A0 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
=A0 default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Lisp Interaction

Minor modes in effect:
=A0 ido-everywhere: t
=A0 show-paren-mode: t
=A0 tooltip-mode: t
=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t
=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

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lisp/auctex/tex-buf
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lisp/debian-startup
/usr/share/emacs23/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/ispell hides /usr/share/em=
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/usr/share/emacs23/site-lisp/dictionaries-common/flyspell hides /usr/share/=
emacs/23.2/lisp/textmodes/flyspell

Features:
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mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse
rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><br>When switching to the English-Dvorak layo=
ut using C-\ or C-x RET C-\ ,<br>and then turning on caps lock, the followi=
ng letters do not capitalize:<br>w, v, z, and s. Other letters capitalize j=
ust fine. Moreover, some<br>secondary punctuation marks appear without pres=
sing the shift key. For<br>instance, when pressing the semi-colon/colon ';'=
 key, the colon ';'<br>character appears. The following punctuation keys ar=
e affected:<br>comma/less-than, period/greater-than, and semi-colon/colon. =
All other<br>keys in the main typing area of the keyboard do not seem to be=
<br>affected. The above error occurs even when running 'emacs -Q' and in al=
l<br>editable buffers.<br><br>Here is a brief overview of the environment. =
The hardware keyboard used<br>is a typical US ANSI (QWERTY) keyboard. The o=
perating system is Trisquel<br>5.0 GNU/Linux with GNOME 2.32.1, with USA as
 the default keyboard<br>layout. The GNU Emacs version is 23.2 installed fr=
om the<br>repository. Locale settings are:<br><br>LANG=3Den_PH.UTF-8<br>LAN=
GUAGE=3Den<br>LC_CTYPE=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_NUMERIC=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_=
TIME=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_COLLATE=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_MONETARY=3D"en_PH.=
UTF-8"<br>LC_MESSAGES=3Den_US.UTF-8<br>LC_PAPER=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_NAME=
=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_ADDRESS=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_TELEPHONE=3D"en_PH.UTF=
-8"<br>LC_MEASUREMENT=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<br>LC_IDENTIFICATION=3D"en_PH.UTF-8"<=
br>LC_ALL=3D<br><br>Pasted below are details generated using the report-ema=
cs-bug command. I will try to fix the problem myself, but in the meantime, =
I'm forwarding this bug report.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Gian<br><br>In GNU Emacs =
23.2.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.4)<br>&nbsp;of 2011-04-04 on r=
othera, modified by Debian<br>Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Found=
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' 'i686-linux-gnu'
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hare/info' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=3Dyes' '--enable-localli=
sppath=3D/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp:/usr=
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s/site-lisp/auctex/latex<br>/usr/share/emacs/23.2/site-lisp/auctex/toolbar-=
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k syntax facemenu font-core<br>frame cham georgian utf-8-lang
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e-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help<br>simple abbrev loaddefs button minibu=
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code-pages mule custom<br>widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-ne=
twork-process dbusbind<br>system-font-setting font-render-setting gtk x-too=
lkit x multi-tty emacs)<br><br></td></tr></table>
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Gian Fontanilla wrote:

> When switching to the English-Dvorak layout using C-\ or C-x RET C-\ ,
> and then turning on caps lock, the following letters do not capitalize:
> w, v, z, and s.

So to summarize, with a standard QWERTY English keyboard:

emacs -Q
C-x RET C-\ english-dvorak RET

Now pressing the key labelled "," produces "w" as it should, and
pressing "shift ," (ie, "<") correctly produces "W". This is because
latin-post.el has the correct mapping:

 ("W" ?<)

But when caps-lock is active, pressing "," still generates "," (not "<")
so Emacs still translates it to "w" (not "W").

I don't know if quail has any way to solve this...

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One thing you can do is redefine your Caps Lock key to be a Shift Lock.
Eg using the following in Xmodmap works for me:

  keycode 66 = Shift_Lock
  add lock = Shift_Lock

I don't know if there is, or should be, an equivalent Emacs-only solution.

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> emacs -Q
> C-x RET C-\ english-dvorak RET
> Now pressing the key labelled "," produces "w" as it should, and
> pressing "shift ," (ie, "<") correctly produces "W". This is because
> latin-post.el has the correct mapping:
>  ("W" ?<)
> But when caps-lock is active, pressing "," still generates "," (not "<")
> so Emacs still translates it to "w" (not "W").
> I don't know if quail has any way to solve this...

I think that at the Lisp level, the necessary information is not
available, so we'd have to change the C code to provide extra info for
Quail to try and use it.
It's not clear to me how best to do it, so I think it'll have to stay as
one of those "patches welcome" items.


        Stefan

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> I think that at the Lisp level, the necessary information is not
> available, so we'd have to change the C code to provide extra info for
> Quail to try and use it.
> It's not clear to me how best to do it, so I think it'll have to stay as
> one of those "patches welcome" items.

This was nine years ago, but I can still reproduce this issue in Emacs
28, so I guess nobody's implemented this yet.

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