Received: (at 13552) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2013 15:45:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 26 10:45:51 2013 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1Tz7x0-0004Z2-SW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:45:51 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:31650) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1Tz7wx-0004Yn-NA for 13552 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:45:49 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r0QFjUDW007129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:45:31 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0QFjUvs021612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:45:30 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0QFjTeo024526; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 09:45:29 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:45:29 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <5BC052B57BA84728A6F0D6E25197B950@HIDDEN> <83pq0sjjny.fsf@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#13552: 24.3.50; glitch in Info formatting for cross reference Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 07:45:22 -0800 Message-ID: <A86C945B4EE746A1908A83D297C9DE78@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83pq0sjjny.fsf@HIDDEN> Thread-Index: Ac37s/kRGfqmi/d7TiKxZlLoKzQHvAAJp1XQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13552 Cc: 13552 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > (elisp) `The Mark' shows this to the user: > > > > If `shift-select-mode' is non-`nil' and the current command was > > invoked via shift translation (see shift-translation > > .), this function sets the mark and temporarily > > activates the region, unless the region was already temporarily > > activated in this way. Otherwise, if the region has > > been activated > > temporarily, it deactivates the mark and restores the variable > > `transient-mark-mode' to its earlier value. > > > > The problem is the visual newline between `shift-translation' and > > `.'. This is a no-no. > > That's because what info.el does is put an invisible text property on > a part of the cross-reference that is deemed "unimportant". You can > turn off this behavior by customizing Info-hide-node-references. Yes, I know. That's the cause underlying the bug: incomplete implementation of the prettying-up/hiding. Pointing to the user option is a red herring wrt the bug, amounting to "if it hurts don't do that". But yes, workarounds for bugs, including turning off bugged features are good to have. I remind you of the proposal (with patch) to optionally let users highlight `...' and "..." in Info. It was rejected because there are a (very) few places where a node has an extra " (e.g. ?"), which makes it not work perfectly for those places. Being able to turn off a feature that is not perfect is good, but it does not mean that the feature works 100%. That we have such hiding is a good thing. I do not at all argue, as was decided in the `...', "..." case, that the feature should not be in Emacs. That we have a way to turn it off is also a good thing. The bug is still there, however. I don't know how feasible/easy it is to fix.
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(elisp) `The Mark' shows this to the user:
If `shift-select-mode' is non-`nil' and the current command was
invoked via shift translation (see shift-translation
.), this function sets the mark and temporarily
activates the region, unless the region was already temporarily
activated in this way. Otherwise, if the region has been activated
temporarily, it deactivates the mark and restores the variable
`transient-mark-mode' to its earlier value.
The problem is the visual newline between `shift-translation' and
`.'. This is a no-no.
The actual text (which you see if you copy + paste) is this,
which is in fact filled properly:
If `shift-select-mode' is non-`nil' and the current command was
invoked via shift translation (*note shift-translation: Key
Sequence Input.), this function sets the mark and temporarily
activates the region, unless the region was already temporarily
activated in this way. Otherwise, if the region has been activated
temporarily, it deactivates the mark and restores the variable
`transient-mark-mode' to its earlier value.
A similar problem appears in the paragraph before that one:
This function implements the "shift-selection" behavior of
point-motion commands. See Shift Selection(emacs)
. It is called automatically by the Emacs command loop
whenever a command with a `^' character in its `interactive' spec
is invoked, before the command itself is executed (*note ^:
Interactive Codes.).
Again, the problem is the eliding of the text between `Shift Selection'
and `.'. The actual text is this:
This function implements the "shift-selection" behavior of
point-motion commands. *Note Shift Selection: (emacs)Shift
Selection. It is called automatically by the Emacs command loop
whenever a command with a `^' character in its `interactive' spec
is invoked, before the command itself is executed (*note ^:
Interactive Codes.).
In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2013-01-22 on ODIEONE
Bzr revision: 111584 dmantipov@HIDDEN
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Configured using:
`configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
-IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib'
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