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Subject: Re: bug#15358: 24.3.50;
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> When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New
> frame command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,
> that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.
> The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place?
The place looks about right, but these events aren't "key presses",
so just like we don't mention "menu keybindings", we shouldn't mention
these either.
Menu-bar bindings are normally not mentioned in such messages and these
"gui event" bindings shouldn't either. So maybe we should move those
bindings to a submap (e.g. with a `gui' prefix, similar to the
`menu-bar' prefix for menu events), which we can then add to
Vmouse_events (in src/keymap.c).
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Hello.=20
12 sep 2013 kl. 03:30 skrev Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>:
> Keith David Bershatsky wrote:
>=20
>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>>=20
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
>=20
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
>=20
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.
When the user right-clicks on the Emacs icon in the dock, there is a New fra=
me command there. nsterm.m turns that event into an Emacs Lisp event,=20
that keyboard.c with system-key-alist turns into ns-new-frame.
The binding is in the global key map. Is there a better place?
Jan D.=20
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>> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the
>> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
> ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
> a function you can run.
> I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
> Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
> I dunno.
Indeed. And the "helpful" message should be silenced somehow (just
like we try to avoid mentioning menu-bar bindings in those messages).
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Keith David Bershatsky wrote:
> When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the
> command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>".
>
> However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function.
ns-new-frame is supposed to be some kind of key that you can press, not
a function you can run.
I don't think it is a real key, but rather some "Special
Nextstep-generated event" that pretends to be a key, for some reason.
I dunno.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) When typing M-x make-frame, a message appears: "You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame>". However, M-x ns-new-frame appears to be a non-existent function. Thanks, Keith David Bershatsky esq@HIDDEN ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36) of 2013-08-22 on MP.local Bzr revision: 113971 monnier@HIDDEN Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 Configured using: `configure --with-ns' Important settings: locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: whitespace-mode: t global-linum-mode: t linum-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t flyspell-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t frame-bufs-mode: t tabbar-mode: t yas-global-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t global-highlight-parentheses-mode: t highlight-parentheses-mode: t osx-key-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: <up> <up> <up> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-up> <S-up> <S-down> <S-down> <S-left> <backspace> <kp-delete> <kp-delete> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <s-down> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-up> <S-left> <S-left> <backspace> <s-up> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> s-` s-` <up> <right> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-left> s-c s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` s-` <M-s-left> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <down> <return> <return> <return> <return> <return> <return> <up> M-/ ; <return> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> <up> s-v <up> <up> <up> <down> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> SPC t h e SPC f o l l o w i n g SPC M <backspace> m e s s a g e : <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> T h a n k s , <return> <return> K e i t h SPC D . SPC B e r s h a t s k y <M-left> <M-left> <right> <right> <backspace> a v i d <s-right> <return> e s q @ l a w l i s t . c o m C-c C-c <escape> x m a k e - f r a m e <return> <M-s-left> <M-s-left> <M-s-left> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <down> <s-down> <up> <up> <S-s-right> s-c <M-s-right> <M-s-right> <M-s-right> <M-s-right> <up> <right> <up> <up> <up> <up> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-down> <S-left> s-v s-s <escape> x n s - n e w - f r a m e <return> <escape> <up> <up> <escape> <escape> <escape> <up> <up> <right> <down> <S-down> <S-left> s-c <menu-bar> <help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report> Recent messages: Constructing summary structure...done Scoring...done You have arrived at the folder: "/last:50/%inbox.Sent". You can run the command `make-frame' with <ns-new-frame> Mark set [4 times] Saving file /Users/HOME/.0.data/fan_eva/1add.txt... 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Keith David Bershatsky <esq@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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