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Monnier on Wed, 05 Mar 2025 16:20:40 -0500)
Subject: Re: bug#16403: Rectangular selection visually disturbing
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> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii
> <eliz@HIDDEN>, 16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2025 16:20:40 -0500
>
> >> > that thin vertical line. I find it convenient (tho I agree that the
> >> > small motion is bar jarring), but that's a question of taste.
> >>
> >> It is a bit more than only convenient: for commands like
> >> `string-rectangle' or `rectangle-number-lines' it is an important guide
> >> visualizing what one will get.
> >
> > FWIW: As I said, I dislike the current visual effect of shifting the
> > text. And I would definitely prefer _not_ to see _any_ visual
> > indication of a zero-columns rectangle, if that indication entails
> > such a visual effect. That's why I'm asking for a way to configure
> > the behavior I prefer.
>
> In the short term, I think adding a config var to disable the small
> space is probably the best option. Patch welcome.
> In the longer term, it might be worthwhile to consider adding a delay,
> i.e. a zero-width rectangle would start being shown as "zero width" but
> after a short idle time we'd add the small space to make it more
> visually obvious. It would help avoid the small movement that
> occurs between the time you `C-x RET` and the time you start moving
> the cursor while still offering the convenient visual feedback to those
> willing to wait a little.
Here's a patch with the "short-term" solution. Does it give good
results? Should I install it (with the necessary NEWS addition)?"
diff --git a/lisp/rect.el b/lisp/rect.el
index be99a33..e630f80 100644
--- a/lisp/rect.el
+++ b/lisp/rect.el
@@ -456,6 +456,11 @@ rectangle-preview
:version "25.1"
:type 'boolean)
+(defcustom rectangle-indicate-zero-width-rectangle t
+ "If non-nil, make zero-width rectangles visible on display."
+ :version "31.1"
+ :type 'boolean)
+
(defun rectangle--string-preview ()
(when rectangle-preview
(let ((str (minibuffer-contents)))
@@ -960,7 +965,8 @@ rectangle--highlight-for-redisplay
(overlay-put ol 'after-string str))))
((overlay-get ol 'after-string)
(overlay-put ol 'after-string nil)))
- (when (and (= leftcol rightcol) (display-graphic-p))
+ (when (and (= leftcol rightcol) (display-graphic-p)
+ rectangle-indicate-zero-width-rectangle)
;; Make zero-width rectangles visible!
(overlay-put ol 'after-string
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No highlighting (no thin space, so no apparent > > movement). > > E.g., numeric value N, for highlighting after > > N seconds. (0 means what you suggested.) > > 2. Highlighting with face `region'. > > E.g., value nil. > > 3. Highlighting with another face. > > E.g., value that face. >=20 > Should this option be applied to the non-rectangular empty region > as well? I.e. as soon as you type 'C-SPC' should it indicate > with the same narrow line that the selection is activated? > Or maybe such indication is not necessary if an empty region > is ignored anyway when use-empty-active-region is nil? I wouldn't do that. If you want some such behavior for nonrectangular regions I'd suggest a separate option. What's best for one isn't necessarily best for the other. A vertical line makes sense for a rectangular region. (FWIW, a horizontal line would also have made sense. It could even make sense to use both vertical and horizontal. But no one has implemented adding a thin horizontal line.) I don't think `use-empty-active-region' should have any bearing on whether to show an indication of the rectangular region being empty. I think indication is just as useful - nay, more useful, when that option is non-nil. You want to know when the region (mark) is active. ___ FWIW: When the region is active, `modeline-region-mode' shows, in the mode-line, info about the region, taking the place of the `mode-line-position' info. Option `mlr-region-style' says what kind of info: * `Characters'. Number of characters in region or rectangle. * `Bytes'. Number of bytes in region or rectangle. * `Lines (& words) & chars / rows & columns (& words & chars)'. For a regular region, you see lines and characters. For a rectangular region you see rows and columns. This can optionally include words for region and words & chars for rectangle: see options `mlr-non-rectangle-style' and `mlr-rectangle-style'. To change the concrete formatting used, change variables `mlr-lines+chars-format', `mlr-lines+words+chars-format', `mlr-rows+cols-format', and `mlr-rows+cols+words+chars-format'. * `Customized format'. An arbitrary format you specify. By default, for a rectangular region you see the number of rows and columns. That mode-line active-region indication text has face `mlr-region', which by default looks the same as face `region', so it's quite apparent when the region is active. What's more, when you use a command, such as `query-replace', that's known to use the active region, face `mlr-region-acting-on' is used, to draw attention to this fact. By default, this looks the same as face `region', but with a red overline & underline. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ModeLineRegion https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/modeline-region.el
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No highlighting (no thin space, so no apparent > > movement). > > E.g., numeric value N, for highlighting after > > N seconds. (0 means what you suggested.) > > 2. Highlighting with face `region'. > > E.g., value nil. > > 3. Highlighting with another face. > > E.g., value that face. >=20 > Should this option be applied to the non-rectangular empty region > as well? I.e. as soon as you type 'C-SPC' should it indicate > with the same narrow line that the selection is activated? > Or maybe such indication is not necessary if an empty region > is ignored anyway when use-empty-active-region is nil? I wouldn't do that. If you want some such behavior for nonrectangular regions I'd suggest a separate option. What's best for one isn't necessarily best for the other. A vertical line makes sense for a rectangular region. (FWIW, a horizontal line would also have made sense. It could even make sense to use both vertical and horizontal. But no one has implemented adding a thin horizontal line.) I don't think `use-empty-active-region' should have any bearing on whether to show an indication of the rectangular region being empty. I think indication is just as useful - nay, more useful, when that option is non-nil. You want to know when the region (mark) is active. ___ FWIW: When the region is active, `modeline-region-mode' shows, in the mode-line, info about the region, taking the place of the `mode-line-position' info. Option `mlr-region-style' says what kind of info: * `Characters'. Number of characters in region or rectangle. * `Bytes'. Number of bytes in region or rectangle. * `Lines (& words) & chars / rows & columns (& words & chars)'. For a regular region, you see lines and characters. For a rectangular region you see rows and columns. This can optionally include words for region and words & chars for rectangle: see options `mlr-non-rectangle-style' and `mlr-rectangle-style'. To change the concrete formatting used, change variables `mlr-lines+chars-format', `mlr-lines+words+chars-format', `mlr-rows+cols-format', and `mlr-rows+cols+words+chars-format'. * `Customized format'. An arbitrary format you specify. By default, for a rectangular region you see the number of rows and columns. That mode-line active-region indication text has face `mlr-region', which by default looks the same as face `region', so it's quite apparent when the region is active. What's more, when you use a command, such as `query-replace', that's known to use the active region, face `mlr-region-acting-on' is used, to draw attention to this fact. By default, this looks the same as face `region', but with a red overline & underline. https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ModeLineRegion https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/modeline-region.el
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> >> > that thin vertical line. I find it convenient (tho I agree that the
> >> > small motion is bar jarring), but that's a question of taste.
> >>
> >> It is a bit more than only convenient: for commands like
> >> `string-rectangle' or `rectangle-number-lines' it is an important guid=
e
> >> visualizing what one will get.
> >
> > FWIW: As I said, I dislike the current visual effect of shifting the
> > text. And I would definitely prefer _not_ to see _any_ visual
> > indication of a zero-columns rectangle, if that indication entails
> > such a visual effect. That's why I'm asking for a way to configure
> > the behavior I prefer.
>=20
> In the short term, I think adding a config var to disable the small
> space is probably the best option. Patch welcome.
> In the longer term, it might be worthwhile to consider adding a delay,
> i.e. a zero-width rectangle would start being shown as "zero width" but
> after a short idle time we'd add the small space to make it more
> visually obvious. It would help avoid the small movement that
> occurs between the time you `C-x RET` and the time you start moving
> the cursor while still offering the convenient visual feedback to those
> willing to wait a little.
As long as we're considering shedding bikes, maybe
toss this orthogonal possibility into the list.
When the selection is a 0-columns rectangle, show
the vertical thin-space line with a different face,
to make it more prominent. Optionally, of course.
IOW, have an option for the highlighting behavior
when zero columns are selected:
1. No highlighting (no thin space, so no apparent
movement).
E.g., numeric value N, for highlighting after
N seconds. (0 means what you suggested.)
2. Highlighting with face `region'.
E.g., value nil.
3. Highlighting with another face.
E.g., value that face.
That third possibility can help if face `region'
doesn't stand out that much and you want to see
better that a rectangle is selected and where it is.
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>> > that thin vertical line. I find it convenient (tho I agree that the
>> > small motion is bar jarring), but that's a question of taste.
>>
>> It is a bit more than only convenient: for commands like
>> `string-rectangle' or `rectangle-number-lines' it is an important guide
>> visualizing what one will get.
>
> FWIW: As I said, I dislike the current visual effect of shifting the
> text. And I would definitely prefer _not_ to see _any_ visual
> indication of a zero-columns rectangle, if that indication entails
> such a visual effect. That's why I'm asking for a way to configure
> the behavior I prefer.
In the short term, I think adding a config var to disable the small
space is probably the best option. Patch welcome.
In the longer term, it might be worthwhile to consider adding a delay,
i.e. a zero-width rectangle would start being shown as "zero width" but
after a short idle time we'd add the small space to make it more
visually obvious. It would help avoid the small movement that
occurs between the time you `C-x RET` and the time you start moving
the cursor while still offering the convenient visual feedback to those
willing to wait a little.
Stefan
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I find it convenient (tho I agree that the > > small motion is bar jarring), but that's a question of taste. > > It is a bit more than only convenient: for commands like > `string-rectangle' or `rectangle-number-lines' it is an important guide > visualizing what one will get. FWIW: As I said, I dislike the current visual effect of shifting the text. And I would definitely prefer _not_ to see _any_ visual indication of a zero-columns rectangle, if that indication entails such a visual effect. That's why I'm asking for a way to configure the behavior I prefer. --=20 Dani Moncayo
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>> If that is too complicated, I'd like to have a way to configure Emacs
>> _not_ to show that "thin vertical line" at all (i.e. to have the same
>> behavior on GUI frames as on TTY frames).
>>
>> (after all, if I want to know the current limits of such a zero-width
>> rectangular region, I can type "C-x C-x" twice, or "C-f C-b")
>
> I believe that line was meant to be an indication that the region is
> active and you have a rectangle, even an empty one. But I'm CC'ing
> Stefan in case I misremember.
I can't think of any reason why we couldn't add a config var to disable
that thin vertical line. I find it convenient (tho I agree that the
small motion is bar jarring), but that's a question of taste.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing
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> I cannot think of situations where the user would want an empty
> rectangle, but at the same time not allowing them would not be
> consistent with Emacs behavior.
Emacs uses empty rectangles so as to provide the `insert-rectangle'
functionality using the `string-rectangle' command, so we save
a key-binding.
So, empty rectangles are fairly important.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing
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>>> I'll will wait for other maintainers to give feedback and apply
>>> this on monday if it's good.
>> It's probably fine for ttys, indeed, but it doesn't solve the problem
>> for GUI frames.
> I thought the behavior in GUI frames was acceptable,
This OP's use-case is a GUI frame. Daniel pointed out that it's even
worse under ttys.
> Maybe in GUI the visual hint could be a change in the cursor
> shape? E.g. from box to vbar.
The intention is not just to warn the user that we're in rectangle mode,
but to actually show the boundaries of the 0-width rectangle.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing
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> I'll will wait for other maintainers to give feedback and apply
> this on monday if it's good.
It's probably fine for ttys, indeed, but it doesn't solve the problem
for GUI frames.
Stefan
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#16403; Package emacs.
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Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing
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Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 01/09/2014 02:15 AM, Ivan Kalyaev wrote:
>> When I press <C-x SPS> to start vertical selection lines of text shift to the
>> right because empty selection is represented with a line symbol.
>>
>> It looked like font rendering glitch at first. The jerky motion is disturbing.
>>
>> How do you think the visual experience could be made better?
>>
>> For comparison, vim selects the starting character right away.
>
> I usually use Emacs in a window system. In a tty, yes, this behavior
> looks bad. We should do something about it.
I suggest these fixes (see patch attached):
- don't display an after-string overlay in tty;
- Let C-x SPC sends this message to the user:
"Mark active (rectangle mode)"
instead of just "Mark active"
Let me know what you think.
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diff --git a/lisp/rect.el b/lisp/rect.el
index f1f0b8d..3d890b5 100644
--- a/lisp/rect.el
+++ b/lisp/rect.el
@@ -444,7 +444,8 @@ Activates the region if needed. Only lasts until the region is deactivated."
(lambda () (rectangle-mark-mode -1)))
(unless (region-active-p)
(push-mark)
- (activate-mark))))
+ (activate-mark)
+ (message "Mark set (rectangle mode)"))))
(defun rectangle--extract-region (orig &optional delete)
(if (not rectangle-mark-mode)
@@ -553,10 +554,10 @@ Activates the region if needed. Only lasts until the region is deactivated."
(overlay-put ol 'after-string str))))
((overlay-get ol 'after-string)
(overlay-put ol 'after-string nil)))
- (when (= leftcol rightcol)
+ (when (and (= leftcol rightcol) (window-system))
;; Make zero-width rectangles visible!
- (overlay-put ol 'after-string
- (concat (propertize " "
+ (overlay-put ol 'after-string
+ (concat (propertize " "
'face '(region (:height 0.2)))
(overlay-get ol 'after-string))))
(push ol nrol)
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Full text available.Received: (at 16403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2014 11:28:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 10 06:28:42 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44776 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W1aGX-0003U2-PH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:28:42 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:52906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <ivan.kalyaev@HIDDEN>) id 1W1aGV-0003Tq-F0 for 16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 06:28:40 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id rq2so4368367pbb.3 for <16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 03:28:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wpSHwpSFT4/P2bRj7lsimYqFBbZ05xpQKu1puUIxkag=; b=Yp8yJpltyIK584ItGuRsYNU66wMxmobM/pKkYnfdcDFmrkQ18V+7QLX6j4xKVeZH3x M0CzjCOHagL2aTN0MIOhhMFemFarIqXLt1wTXLMtCWriY0zoaFAfUYfGY3CAGxups2YH YTS9Uj5mM7jTnvhTHPIReLW8+ZMD7cWten4aiTjUflHvS/B2htCCrETXX/86zAE05QLG GDvyzSstIuCA5JklfcF/RCHUsAC6IyIfD4o2wN2UdKxMtGAfXdytVDKSRUNmQP4qqcqd 6/hzdyK2HE9Fypr/UGMr1b6ffyzJX4GPsnwdlX7QtnyzI4qgx1wX5r6+SnkWvTGKTQHM HvNQ== X-Received: by 10.68.204.161 with SMTP id kz1mr10721547pbc.156.1389353318535; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 03:28:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.70.61.5 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jan 2014 03:28:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52CF105B.5090005@HIDDEN> References: <CAJ4zm2DRsHrJxj0hu1V=bUxWBBNDmmZMi33=gBDjQn1cRVXLiA@HIDDEN> <52CF105B.5090005@HIDDEN> From: Ivan Kalyaev <ivan.kalyaev@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:28:18 +0400 Message-ID: <CAJ4zm2A7_jZzKScR5Ura+Vmz2+km5=OMeiBJvEzSLWdAXfUHzQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16403 Cc: 16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Daniel, > I usually use Emacs in a window system. In a tty, yes, this behavior look= s bad. Actually, I can see this behavior in the GUI version as well (only the line symbol is not in full-width). Please see this screencast for illustration: http://i.stack.imgur.com/KIfjc= .gif On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN> wrot= e: > On 01/09/2014 02:15 AM, Ivan Kalyaev wrote: >> >> When I press <C-x SPS> to start vertical selection lines of text shift t= o >> the >> right because empty selection is represented with a line symbol. >> >> It looked like font rendering glitch at first. The jerky motion is >> disturbing. >> >> How do you think the visual experience could be made better? >> >> For comparison, vim selects the starting character right away. > > > I usually use Emacs in a window system. In a tty, yes, this behavior look= s > bad. We should do something about it. --=20 =D0=A1 =D1=83=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5=D0=BC, =D0=98=D0=B2= =D0=B0=D0=BD
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Full text available.Received: (at 16403) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2014 21:11:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 09 16:11:01 2014 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44350 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1W1MsW-00023b-WD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:11:01 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:54724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dancol@HIDDEN>) id 1W1MsV-00023U-Io for 16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:11:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WC12JUbmRs8vVM3PLrC56Tx+ReQLgmeNEJjRXOT7+oc=; b=beM3drV0mEdXv/s5ZKjHtS5lUeWojYZtLkFqje6KXiORAj+LrMR47FJMsbAmWgVv+0AnjgvjUXhvs7++gTIb97OwV0HyoNOl3Au8CXw5qYOeD/pZDqr/gnphl1hfzwH7HegkKNNvxJCWTDg52EJUWxO+cUZBLrJ4pxTqMAWmYVEAKbxwZgnYJdEsqq32/bDYrQ6h5zJwQpyzjfb1lvSR1MIJz+jjk296fCV3VHKWKXDJZ7tDxYoHQT9pQI5fQc07fcaRdj5V4VmEV5/RYsgYOfTavnZH9umMercB3uDR20n6BmlQwwjy4Ar3Me8c8BIcd5f6gY4UNMlMxMsdzh7t0A==; Received: from [2620:0:1cfe:2d:2b5:6dff:fe02:e7be] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <dancol@HIDDEN>) id 1W1MsU-0007Y3-4f; Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:10:58 -0800 Message-ID: <52CF105B.5090005@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:10:51 -0800 From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Kalyaev <ivan.kalyaev@HIDDEN>, 16403 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#16403: 24.3.50; Rectangular selection visually disturbing References: <CAJ4zm2DRsHrJxj0hu1V=bUxWBBNDmmZMi33=gBDjQn1cRVXLiA@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAJ4zm2DRsHrJxj0hu1V=bUxWBBNDmmZMi33=gBDjQn1cRVXLiA@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 16403 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) On 01/09/2014 02:15 AM, Ivan Kalyaev wrote: > When I press <C-x SPS> to start vertical selection lines of text shift to the > right because empty selection is represented with a line symbol. > > It looked like font rendering glitch at first. The jerky motion is disturbing. > > How do you think the visual experience could be made better? > > For comparison, vim selects the starting character right away. I usually use Emacs in a window system. In a tty, yes, this behavior looks bad. We should do something about it.
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