Received: (at 18793) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2022 10:29:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 07 06:29:13 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50578 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nnHgX-0000XW-JN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 06:29:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nnHgV-0000XJ-Kh for 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 06:29:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36470) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nnHgQ-0001SE-C9; Sat, 07 May 2022 06:29:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=5E14Lr/w5WYrSWmYm7m+YTjwY8kSmsmyyODovd4pgmk=; b=gg/J8yJKO0Uh 13KDndoSYDHRJqT3BZ1+vUL/68ayzVFerJs/8VYSdWLgN/Dhwud0dVxvHZlieoGEKMu2P3gLNmurc Po0V+e1POm+QjZbX/Bss9bXr/ebw3Hl2+MRvAv/731w22+BYEidspnoQhRCpDzd0Os94Gm0UVV2kC H2ZY30ITVPARJXmKH3453PubhJkUmWSyj1aQ+4TSXXNldTDnQEs7rvoHeZ890JncMUdnxdPwHvSYN 3tvEb+JZYSU8mEJKbmgxrnliZG4uDtHUFGjcUzdu+DxcoyzjtaANl8ybNq//5E8byKNkZ5P+6lp/J K1zcYDLbnSTvVXoe1WX0JQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4763 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nnHgP-0007N4-QY; Sat, 07 May 2022 06:29:06 -0400 Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 13:28:55 +0300 Message-Id: <831qx5zleg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87czgpve63.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 07 May 2022 12:18:44 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text References: <82ppdk41k5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fslop1af.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d702b1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czgrnei8.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0az0wfz.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rreor92.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilqi29ic.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfpmnben.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h76228cu.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rrelt6e.fsf@HIDDEN> <8335hm22jk.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r155vehf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czgpve63.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 07 May 2022 12:18:44 +0200 > > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > > Point on the indicator: > > D'oh! Sorry; that's not special handling at all -- it's just the normal > point-on-character handling. More accurately, we display the indicator instead of a stretch glyph that stands for the newline or the empty space after EOL.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > It does? AFAIK, we don't show the vertical line when there's a > character at that column, and consequently displaying the cursor > doesn't need to cope with any issues caused by that. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > It does? AFAIK, we don't show the vertical line when there's a > character at that column, and consequently displaying the cursor > doesn't need to cope with any issues caused by that. 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For > example, what would we do when displaying color Emoji at that place? > Or what about images? Or what if the character in question is > currently highlighted by mouse-face? >=20 > IOW, I'm asking whether these marginal features are worth a serious > surgery and complications in the display engine, which currently has > the canvas-based design? None of what you guys have suggested so far is a good solution to the problem reported. I suggested a simple solution that provides feedback not only that an empty rectangle is selected but continual feedback about any rectangle selection. It's about informing users. No special display gimmicks are needed for that.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#18793; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 18793) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2022 13:50:44 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 06 09:50:44 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nmyM0-0007tQ-Ao for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:50:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmyLy-0007tB-6Y for 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:50:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45622) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmyLs-0006H2-Fa; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:50:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ETCcIirIuWQKyEFWSp83FUv8MsFMpjVi2DyYiDa4BAk=; b=gHp0up8OCxhm zqLoq457UVkKxkVOsW4SlODHQ6ARJx8i9m1JwnftqwXJYH7YVTyn2RFNZdAySf39kWNsMgO7bgczQ fc6YDfNJvwTO3JdnZXSZMCfIIqOZzIwptZK3y0uqn+lgLztedhDlnKClZRrIS0pTVbOGTW3utlDvY SZNJP1APx1E1GCAU2VhQBy7Avctw4+04Wbo+mNsUaWKePmwcvtBXTMWR9SXyL+l8d6LWpP/dPfD9g Ttk0sfFWBInIZD4tN6HoDtCPjPwcd1EtrY0JSf+wOhDH7TatK+HPn65tA/biJ9NOsxJgoHeAbWwz7 9LuAzgDySYS27844kOKe/Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3764 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmyLr-0002ql-Qs; Fri, 06 May 2022 09:50:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 16:50:23 +0300 Message-Id: <8335hm22jk.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <878rrelt6e.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 06 May 2022 14:52:25 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text References: <82ppdk41k5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fslop1af.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d702b1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czgrnei8.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0az0wfz.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rreor92.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilqi29ic.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfpmnben.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h76228cu.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rrelt6e.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 14:52:25 +0200 > > > Adding capabilities to the Emacs display that operate on > > sub-character-cell resolution will mean serious complications. For > > example, what would we do when displaying color Emoji at that place? > > Or what about images? Or what if the character in question is > > currently highlighted by mouse-face? > > > > IOW, I'm asking whether these marginal features are worth a serious > > surgery and complications in the display engine, which currently has > > the canvas-based design? > > display-fill-column-indicator-mode was the only one that sprang > immediately to mind, but I think it could be useful when displaying > tabular data, and you want to mark boundaries without taking up extra > space, for instance. I think trying to display text in tables without taking space for the borders will introduce significant complications into our display code. Text in a table and its borders need to be aligned separately. > And speaking off the fill indicator -- bug#54598 talks a bit about the > problems with the current implementation. Sure, there are limitations to how we can stretch our current display code. But the solution is not to stretch it more, IMNSHO, it's to replace it with a completely new and different design, which could allow that much more easily. > But that mode does show how a box cursor and a region could behave > with these vertical lines. It does? AFAIK, we don't show the vertical line when there's a character at that column, and consequently displaying the cursor doesn't need to cope with any issues caused by that. > And I don't think colour emojis or images would represent that much of a > problem -- I think we'd draw the line on top of the glyph? The line itself is not the problem; the problem is the color of that line. How do you draw a vertical line of a given color over images and Emoji that have their inherent colors? Do we just overwrite those colors? Won't that be ugly? There will also be complications with characters whose glyphs "invade" cells of neighboring characters: Emacs draws characters one by one, so adding such vertical lines will need to come back after text was drawn and draw the line, as opposed to doing that as part of drawing individual glyphs that we do now. Bottom line: it sounds like a lot of complications for a minor issue with a minor feature.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#18793; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 18793) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2022 12:52:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 06 08:52:37 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nmxRl-0001qu-D5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 08:52:37 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:36912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nmxRj-0001qg-Vp for 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 08:52:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=S2LWECLLzdZNRWW/i/YSIiEvSY3I52GBaXtS4ZM1yBs=; b=iL7ZWkNiFX8mAzfjXyUb6Aaex5 I7O2EHNMg9UGtk2CpqswQxE3TZhsLxvO4mbR87EGE3i96yJUHc7G6SAClm3ouJhn/kjaSUvtpjFoA BUSEeFp0VEjfwRzDqAHUX2qtWPfEnditJ0nAGh5jyncC/vzEI4+ZziTnE5RDiL6alNkc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nmxRa-0006ib-CQ; Fri, 06 May 2022 14:52:28 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text References: <82ppdk41k5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fslop1af.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d702b1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czgrnei8.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0az0wfz.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rreor92.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilqi29ic.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfpmnben.fsf@HIDDEN> <83h76228cu.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEXsqFLSVzHGMCmr HyiqGSh5FyTRYlLvxbL////g/tltAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+YFBgwZJE9bNj4AAAGi SURBVDjLxZRNT+QwDIbDHuBKA5p7nFHPkETcibPzO9IKmSvalYa/z5uvQjVwW2ktTafjx37tNvYo pdRU7Vapek/kfUq/y4+rr0CThT+lHgYbCdZ/gpqSq19D6BOopUpJKdATGrieQA7LpH3R57SroQ3a CWkzlRFfpEkPkQ4mgXCzL/EApEtB6523aQfQHaQD+108AD4+fWMq/WD/DgQARj/hMiOMl4MvHuEN MF/GJ/5PzxF+An4A3vt795cgNY/6zok6vIHx+FzuqL7E3gtALJcj2jK8geArcBws4k/HrUaZiMTH R++fwszxfgMcQohhfZ7p6e5E9s4NYH1wj8fptM5GR6LFqf4UmDpyL/n09wEjqWlCRqhCZPRKv27p z7wUQISMiEMkEb3QOuszrUSmAOJo2eos67U+zzpTn3EMtYvG5KzyWclhnWt4AQ6XLCJKzlLWZyyF Eslvr/lKBKtm2grBsMTvsFc5CBSMhhvA1O0u4H21Na5Fm7byxb+QT96OjWt/EQCLCfVoXOzq6qYS NwaUY/XnlqA2t+9VB9iOlvbgAwUB8wkyqXolAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA1LTA2 VDEyOjI1OjM2KzAwOjAw4Z5fTQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wNS0wNlQxMjoyNToz NiswMDowMJDD5/EAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: The Cure's _Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me_: "The Snakepit" Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 14:52:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83h76228cu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 06 May 2022 14:44:49 +0300") Message-ID: <878rrelt6e.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure. This was supposed to be a nifty feature. If some users > are annoyed by its effect, the easy way to handle that is to let those > users disable the cause of the annoyance. 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This was supposed to be a nifty feature. If some users > are annoyed by its effect, the easy way to handle that is to let those > users disable the cause of the annoyance. After all, we don't show > anything comparable for non-rectangular regions, do we? That's a good point. > What other uses could this have, except fill-column indication, which > is another minor feature? > > Adding capabilities to the Emacs display that operate on > sub-character-cell resolution will mean serious complications. For > example, what would we do when displaying color Emoji at that place? > Or what about images? Or what if the character in question is > currently highlighted by mouse-face? > > IOW, I'm asking whether these marginal features are worth a serious > surgery and complications in the display engine, which currently has > the canvas-based design? display-fill-column-indicator-mode was the only one that sprang immediately to mind, but I think it could be useful when displaying tabular data, and you want to mark boundaries without taking up extra space, for instance. And speaking off the fill indicator -- bug#54598 talks a bit about the problems with the current implementation. But that mode does show how a box cursor and a region could behave with these vertical lines. And I don't think colour emojis or images would represent that much of a problem -- I think we'd draw the line on top of the glyph? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 18793) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2022 11:45:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 06 07:45:11 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47292 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nmwOU-00022B-KF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 07:45:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmwOS-0001vC-ST for 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 07:45:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43026) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmwON-0007je-DO; Fri, 06 May 2022 07:45:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=e43nv6nDiBETPqNkdYHco05tyHqnZM/OHOwidUueI+s=; b=Pc/WbtZ2ia7W 9aviV7sxBVHpBv4yZRyBLMQYTmbuOK2E4D6ojh7I7IDGch+BLxKmsKC+M+MrV1H2SNPobVFopuR2I AgQyOS+M0eFAyh0/XDKJb1H1svrCG2i5cfoXKg4eJo1j2WRoVPFU4WfOlJJbW4PEhsLKOAxgB1W00 9ppOu+FYIl0WmvLRlgKKV15f3VsyaiotCRL7PnxMfSEcKas9wVxPC5dLW90vqirgDHtDJ5mcLJa4Y CQFngfp+vpx/6NOlMKPfxWmTtC6vTPZ8UmkIWasOkYh2IbL9I2Hlj3XBPNAw7Uxvyqau81vs+2tpl bR3h03BsPtaZUjByOgvdaw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3896 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1nmwOM-00072p-Sl; Fri, 06 May 2022 07:45:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 14:44:49 +0300 Message-Id: <83h76228cu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sfpmnben.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 06 May 2022 13:33:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text References: <82ppdk41k5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87fslop1af.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d702b1w.fsf@HIDDEN> <87czgrnei8.fsf@HIDDEN> <83k0az0wfz.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rreor92.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ilqi29ic.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sfpmnben.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: monnier@HIDDEN, carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 13:33:20 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > It might be better and easier to introduce a defcustom that disables > > the visualization of zero-width rectangles. Was that considered as a > > solution to this issue? > > I think we wanted to keep that? I'm not sure. This was supposed to be a nifty feature. If some users are annoyed by its effect, the easy way to handle that is to let those users disable the cause of the annoyance. After all, we don't show anything comparable for non-rectangular regions, do we? > I'm not suggesting that it's worth implementing something as complex as > this just for this feature, but like I said -- I think something like > this may be useful, in general, for marking things, and if we had it, it > would be natural to use it here, too. What other uses could this have, except fill-column indication, which is another minor feature? Adding capabilities to the Emacs display that operate on sub-character-cell resolution will mean serious complications. For example, what would we do when displaying color Emoji at that place? Or what about images? Or what if the character in question is currently highlighted by mouse-face? IOW, I'm asking whether these marginal features are worth a serious surgery and complications in the display engine, which currently has the canvas-based design?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > It might be better and easier to introduce a defcustom that disables > the visualization of zero-width rectangles. Was that considered as a > solution to this issue? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: carlosjosepita@HIDDEN, monnier@HIDDEN, 18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > It might be better and easier to introduce a defcustom that disables > the visualization of zero-width rectangles. Was that considered as a > solution to this issue? I think we wanted to keep that? I'm not suggesting that it's worth implementing something as complex as this just for this feature, but like I said -- I think something like this may be useful, in general, for marking things, and if we had it, it would be natural to use it here, too. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > But I was thinking that perhaps the box cursor would also react to that > line in some way, for instance by using a reverse colour where the > vertical line is. 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(Perhaps we could even reuse some of the painting logic used by the bar cursor (but I haven't looked at the code at all).) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm not sure: how would such a vertical line indicate that it's > region? The same way the current one-pixel-wide thing does? I.e., not very well. 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The same way the current one-pixel-wide thing does? I.e., not very well. > And how will it be visible, given that the cursor is displayed on that > same character? Or maybe I don't understand what you mean by "a > vertical line through a character"? The cursor usually blinks, so the line will be somewhat visible. But I was thinking that perhaps the box cursor would also react to that line in some way, for instance by using a reverse colour where the vertical line is. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > AFAIU, that's a feature: we are trying to indicate the existence of > the selection, even though its width is zero. Type "M-x > describe-text-properties RET" at the first character. 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Type "M-x > describe-text-properties RET" at the first character. The indication > must take up some space on display, so it moves the following text to > the right. Yes. Various things were suggested in the bug report, like a new facility to draw a vertical line through a character, for instance, to allow indicating stuff like this without the (very slightly) disturbing horizontal shift. I think that sounds like a good idea (and I could see it being useful in general -- for instance, with a mode that indicates the fill column, perhaps). It doesn't sound very complicated to implement -- a new text/overlay property, I guess? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 38a3cb61-6b9b-45f0-9503-08da2ebfda3d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 May 2022 17:51:16.1134 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: S8JVPU860ajWkbjEfcMawsnJwWfeBfCmNztLHsEezafctWLCC9x2Z3VpNTd6FXA8s9MrULWagjj8xP+5Grm/ZA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3080 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.486, 18.0.858 definitions=2022-05-05_06:2022-05-05, 2022-05-05 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2205050121 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 6kkr7w7X4oq0nEy117XVMk_XCzpkUNah X-Proofpoint-GUID: 6kkr7w7X4oq0nEy117XVMk_XCzpkUNah X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 18793 Cc: "carlosjosepita@HIDDEN" <carlosjosepita@HIDDEN>, "18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <18793 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > > 1) Put the point at the beginning of the following sequence of a's. > > > 2) Start a rectangular selection with C-x Space. > > > 3) Move the point one char to the right. > > > 4) Move it one char to the left so that it returns to the left > margin. > > > 5) Repeat 3 and 4 a number of times. > > > > > > aaaaaaaaaaa > > > > > > Do you see how the sequences of a's moves back and forward? > > > > I can confirm that this behaviour is still present in Emacs 29. >=20 > AFAIU, that's a feature: we are trying to indicate the existence of > the selection, even though its width is zero. Type "M-x > describe-text-properties RET" at the first character. The indication > must take up some space on display, so it moves the following text to > the right. Some indication that the selection is active and rectangular is needed - that's a good idea. But this slight movement isn't the greatest way to indicate this. It's barely noticeable (but it helps IMO, and is better than nothing). We do also show a message when you turn on Rectangle-Mark mode (with `C-x SPD'). That's OK. But then when you move point to select more than an empty selection the text moves back again (reverse slight motion). So this "jiggle" indicates change to and from an empty selection, not whether rectangle mark mode is on or off. That's fine, but there's no msg or other indication (apart from the jiggle) for change to/from an empty rectangular selection. I think we could do better. ___ Here's one possibility: With minor mode `modeline-region-mode', from `modeline-region.el', the region state is shown in the mode-line whenever the region is active. E.g., with point at the start of that line of aaaaaaaaaaa, after using `C-x SPC' you see this in the mode-line, highlighted with face `mlr-region' (by default it looks the same as face `region'): 1 rows, 0 cols That is, in rectangle-mark mode, the size indication shows the region size as the number of rows and columns. Following the OP recipe with this: aaaaaaaaaaa bbbbbbbbbbb ccccccccccc When the first column is selected across all rows, you see this in the mode-line: 7 rows, 1 cols If you then use C-x SPC to turn off rectangle-mark mode, the mode-line indication changes to this: 7 lines, 40 chars There are multiple ways to indicate the selection status in the mode line. Those 2 are the defaults. The code is here: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/modeline-region.el Library description is here: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ModeLineRegion
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Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text
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> You could change the cursor to a vertical bar, and change its color to
> match the color of the region.
The main use is not when the rectangle is completely empty (i.e. when
mark = point) but when the rectangle has 0 width, so you see where the
mark is and you see on each line the 0-width boundary of the rectangle.
So changing the cursor doesn't quite give me what I want.
> Another possibility is to make a composition of the character at point
> and some zero-width character (which we display as a thin space).
Hmm... that's a possibility. Sounds costly (compared to "draw a line"),
but maybe it could work.
Stefan
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Subject: Re: bug#18793: 24.4; zero width rectangular selection displaces text
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> Text looks like jelly, doesn't it? I understand that having a visual
> indicator of the empty selection is a good thing but what about the
> following alternatives:
Using the fringe is kind of problematic since the fringe may not be
displayed, and it also mean it's displayed "elsewhere", which is
less convenient.
Keeping the thin line is an alternative I hadn't considered, since
I think this thin line is a problem. But indeed maybe the movement is
worse than the thin line itself, so maybe keeping the thin line is
a better option.
FWIW, I think the better option is to provide a way to draw a thin line
that does not shift the rest of the text. But I think that requires
changes in the redisplay code.
Stefan
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) 1) Put the point at the beginning of the following sequence of a's. 2) Start a rectangular selection with C-x Space. 3) Move the point one char to the right. 4) Move it one char to the left so that it returns to the left margin. 5) Repeat 3 and 4 a number of times. aaaaaaaaaaa Do you see how the sequences of a's moves back and forward? This is not nice and the example is not that artificial. Having lines separated by empty lines is very common, so: 1) Put the point at the beginning of the following sequence of a's. 2) Start a rectangular selection with C-x Space. 3) Move the point one char to the right to make the selection width = 1. 4) Move the point down 5 times to extend the selection up to the line of c's. aaaaaaaaaaa bbbbbbbbbbb ccccccccccc Text looks like jelly, doesn't it? I understand that having a visual indicator of the empty selection is a good thing but what about the following alternatives: a) Keep the thin line near the fringe even when the selection is not zero width, so no displacement will happen. Or, b) Use the fringe instead of the buffer. 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