Received: (at 21277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2015 16:56:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 12:56:35 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33747 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZST8l-0000dP-4J for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38465) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ZST8j-0000dG-Aq for 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:33 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ZST8f-0002tV-8Q for 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ZST8V-0002p4-Dm; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:19 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ZST8U-0001IQ-R3; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:18 -0400 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87d1yjx76b.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:08:44 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#21277: 25.0.50; char-fold search is a screw, and I can't see how to disable References: <E1ZRCad-0000hK-Ta@HIDDEN> <mvmpp2mgyz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1ZRXmd-0002cV-AY@HIDDEN> <87d1yjx76b.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <E1ZST8U-0001IQ-R3@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 12:56:18 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21277 Cc: schwab@HIDDEN, 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > If char-fold really only affects ASCII and Unicode lookalikes, is it > > important enough to be worth mentioning in the echo area? If not, > > let's delete it from the echo area. > One idea was to not display default parameters in the echo area. > So when e.g. char-fold search is t by default then it should not > be indicated in the echo area. Might be good. > > Does anyone really want to disable it? > Like case-fold search, char-fold search could be disabled either by > customizing the corresponding variable, or interactively with ‘M-s '’. Yes, but does anyone really ever want to disable it? > > On the other hand, lax whitespace search by default is a drastic > > change. That should be listed in the echo area, and its default > > should be nil. > AFAIK, a drastic change was not in lax whitespace search per se, but > only in its combination with char-fold search that we could fix now. Is that a certainty? I now think the problem is simply in lax whitespace search. Some evidence is that it occurs in an Emacs from a year ago, in which char-fold search did not exist. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21277; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 21277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Aug 2015 09:37:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 20 05:37:00 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZSMHM-0005r9-9Q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:37:00 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]:34174) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <arturmalabarba@HIDDEN>) id 1ZSMHJ-0005r0-TN for 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 05:36:58 -0400 Received: by laba3 with SMTP id a3so19029980lab.1 for <21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:36:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bHdfj7oRheEC0AMvktvxfee55HM9Rn0H+eeXZkDo9xk=; b=C+cWMc7BvIdZ7xTFgXXiFtZDDs5Ouv7cC1J/7Q5gNU761R5rxmbAe3SilbLi467fLn FPMEuJmwH4q4GdG8MffCx3Z3NUNlNDOiqc7DcteCihEFwaN12QBPglf+p8FsfswOiCZi 6eqWU25E3GfAA4byN52GBDrp4tH/+sTtBaQjDN37yQTCP+NnaH+UJU+O1jiTseu6FmCY wnbwgaeFCOdOnHQualBVCqejFm0YQz2dnYQzyGcjpwIpv5AB9WMQmz+IffQT5e82NQQP KXVfgZ9+5AZ1aoARX00QvBqbZa3uekQeQFmuPzDvXE0rbgIlc1JZOWRLM+6OW1Q5y0eq dg3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.6.102 with SMTP id z6mr2009521laz.95.1440063416890; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.134.139 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 2015 02:36:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87lhd7x7gg.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <E1ZRCad-0000hK-Ta@HIDDEN> <87lhd7x7gg.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 10:36:56 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oZ9RMfCe9WZ1EFwXANl2IJeL_SE Message-ID: <CAAdUY-LcbVCboTrw5RqJQG4wH2UthWHvTPFmdaaV1Rg=UHawCA@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21277: 25.0.50; char-fold search is a screw, and I can't see how to disable From: Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0149401c6afa1f051dbae466 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21277 Cc: 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: bruce.connor.am@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e0149401c6afa1f051dbae466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > There are both case-fold-search and its isearch-specific counterpart > isearch-case-fold-search, so maybe both char-fold-search and > isearch-char-fold-search should exist. Actually, `isearch-case-fold-search' is an internal variable and configuring it has no effect. If you want configure isearch's case-folding, you have to use the general `case-fold-search'. That is why there's no isearch-char-fold-search. --089e0149401c6afa1f051dbae466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><p dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"im"></span>> There are bo= th case-fold-search and its isearch-specific counterpart<br>> isearch-ca= se-fold-search, so maybe both char-fold-search and<br>> isearch-char-fol= d-search should exist.</p><p dir=3D"ltr">Actually, `isearch-case-fold-searc= h' is an internal variable and configuring it has no effect. If you wan= t configure isearch's case-folding, you have to use the general `case-f= old-search'.<br></p><p dir=3D"ltr">That is why there's no isearch-c= har-fold-search.</p></div> --089e0149401c6afa1f051dbae466--
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21277; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 21277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2015 22:28:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 19 18:28:15 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZSBqB-0005ZB-7N for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:28:15 -0400 Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:44155 helo=homiemail-a18.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1ZSBq9-0005Yv-Eh for 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:28:13 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0279F25006B; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m212-53-116-166.cust.tele2.ee [212.53.116.166]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@HIDDEN) by homiemail-a18.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8E66F250069; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:28:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Tassilo Horn <tsdh@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21277: 25.0.50; char-fold search is a screw, and I can't see how to disable Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <E1ZRCad-0000hK-Ta@HIDDEN> <mvmpp2mgyz0.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1ZRXmc-0002cL-Hp@HIDDEN> <87pp2k22z8.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:17:09 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87pp2k22z8.fsf@HIDDEN> (Tassilo Horn's message of "Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:30:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87bne2ylcq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21277 Cc: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > But I think the `isearch-lax-whitespace' feature can still be improved: > > 1. The `isearch-lax-whitespace' docstring speaks of "ordinary > incremental search" which I've read as "non-regex isearch". But it > seems that regex isearch is also affected. I'd just strip the > "ordinary". Regexp isearch is affected by =E2=80=98isearch-regexp-lax-whitespace=E2=80= =99. > And IMHO, it would be a good idea to disable lax-whitespace for the > current search as soon as the search string contains a non-space > whitespace character. I think if the user explicitly types C-j, C-i, > etc. she's probably not interested in treating spaces as any-whitespace > but wants to distinguish newlines from tabs and spaces. Good idea - it could work the same way as case-fold search detects the pr= esence of uppercase chars in the search string to automatically toggle itself.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21277; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#21277; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 21277) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Aug 2015 22:28:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Aug 19 18:28:09 2015 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ZSBq5-0005Ye-Bh for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:28:09 -0400 Received: from sub3.mail.dreamhost.com ([69.163.253.7]:34798 helo=homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1ZSBq3-0005YW-Ec for 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 18:28:07 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3F81030062; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.linkov.net (m212-53-116-166.cust.tele2.ee [212.53.116.166]) (Authenticated sender: jurta@HIDDEN) by homiemail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5AFD7103005E; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 15:28:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#21277: 25.0.50; char-fold search is a screw, and I can't see how to disable Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <E1ZRCad-0000hK-Ta@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 01:02:39 +0300 In-Reply-To: <E1ZRCad-0000hK-Ta@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 17 Aug 2015 01:04:07 -0400") Message-ID: <87lhd7x7gg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 21277 Cc: 21277 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > 3. I tried using C-h v to find a variable, but although there is > isearch-case-fold-search, there is no isearch-char-fold-search. > For parallelism's sake, isearch-char-fold-search should exist. There are both case-fold-search and its isearch-specific counterpart isearch-case-fold-search, so maybe both char-fold-search and isearch-char-fold-search should exist.
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Content preview: > 2. So I decided to try to disable it, but the doc string
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> > 3. I tried using C-h v to find a variable,
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Content preview: > 2. So I decided to try to disable it, but the doc string
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there is no isearch-char-fold-search. > For parallelism's sake, isearch-char-fold-search
should exist. > > 4. I searched in etc/NEWS for 'char fold' and 'char-fold'.
> Neither appears. Both of them SHOULD appear, for the sake > of people who
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> 2. So I decided to try to disable it, but the doc string of
> isearch says nothing about how to turn that off. It should say how.
>
> 3. I tried using C-h v to find a variable, but although there is
> isearch-case-fold-search, there is no isearch-char-fold-search.
> For parallelism's sake, isearch-char-fold-search should exist.
>
> 4. I searched in etc/NEWS for 'char fold' and 'char-fold'.
> Neither appears. Both of them SHOULD appear, for the sake
> of people who search for them.
>
> 5. I did find 'isearch', and that entry described the new inconvenient
> feature. However the entry there did not say how to disable this
> feature. It should say how.
All good points. I'll try to address all of these when I can.
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes: > 2. So I decided to try to disable it, but the doc string of > isearch says nothing about how to turn that off. It should say how. > > 3. I tried using C-h v to find a variable, but although there is > isearch-case-fold-search, there is no isearch-char-fold-search. > For parallelism's sake, isearch-char-fold-search should exist. > > 4. I searched in etc/NEWS for 'char fold' and 'char-fold'. > Neither appears. Both of them SHOULD appear, for the sake > of people who search for them. > > 5. I did find 'isearch', and that entry described the new inconvenient > feature. However the entry there did not say how to disable this > feature. It should say how. As I understand it, the variables `character-fold-search' and `replace-character-fold' control the new folding features. I have it all disabled--both variables set to nil. At least they have docstrings; however, yes, they need to be documented in isearch, replace, and NEWS.
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Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes:
> > That has nothing to do with char-fold, this feature already exists since
> > 24.3 and is called lax-whitespace.
>
> How come it did not occur in the Emacs I was running before last week?
> I built that from master a few months ago.
>
> Anyway, it is a total screw. Who likes this as a default?
I like that behavior because I frequently search for "some text" in
prose, and then it allows me to find also the matches where the two
words are wrapped around.
But I think the `isearch-lax-whitespace' feature can still be improved:
1. The `isearch-lax-whitespace' docstring speaks of "ordinary
incremental search" which I've read as "non-regex isearch". But it
seems that regex isearch is also affected. I'd just strip the
"ordinary".
2. More importantly, isearching for C-j SPC matches any sequence of two
whitespace characters, e.g., it matches between here and here, too.
^^ ^^
I had expected that only space characters in the search string are
replaced by `search-whitespace-regexp' but it seems that any whitespace
character is replaced by it. I think this is not good.
And IMHO, it would be a good idea to disable lax-whitespace for the
current search as soon as the search string contains a non-space
whitespace character. I think if the user explicitly types C-j, C-i,
etc. she's probably not interested in treating spaces as any-whitespace
but wants to distinguish newlines from tabs and spaces.
Bye,
Tassilo
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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) 1. Char-fold isearch is a screw. I wanted to search for lines starting with a space, so I searched for C-j SPC, but it did something useless. It found every blank line! 2. So I decided to try to disable it, but the doc string of isearch says nothing about how to turn that off. It should say how. 3. I tried using C-h v to find a variable, but although there is isearch-case-fold-search, there is no isearch-char-fold-search. For parallelism's sake, isearch-char-fold-search should exist. 4. I searched in etc/NEWS for 'char fold' and 'char-fold'. Neither appears. Both of them SHOULD appear, for the sake of people who search for them. 5. I did find 'isearch', and that entry described the new inconvenient feature. However the entry there did not say how to disable this feature. It should say how. 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