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From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#23709: 24.5;
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Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> writes:
> On Feb 14 2018, Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
>> So this does sound like it's all about files. If inhibit-eol-conversion
>> is problematic, maybe a setting for file-coding-system-alist would be a
>> better recommendation?
>
> Probably setting the last element to '("" undecided-unix) will do.
I'm not sure: it will be overriden by some earlier elements. That's
correct for the no-conversion entries, but maybe not the others.
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On Feb 14 2018, Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> wrote:
> And a further comment from the OP about it:
>
> I guess there isn't really a compelling reason for it except that I
> only occasionally encounter dos files and I was used to that obvious
> visual cue of all the ^M's when I open one.
>
> So this does sound like it's all about files. If inhibit-eol-conversion
> is problematic, maybe a setting for file-coding-system-alist would be a
> better recommendation?
Probably setting the last element to '("" undecided-unix) will do.
Andreas.
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From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#23709: 24.5;
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> It's a customizable user option. It seems perfectly valid to me to set
>> it globally, for the reasons given in the manual:
>>
>> some people prefer this to the more subtle '(DOS)' end-of-line type
>> indication near the left edge of the mode line
>>
>> I've had it set in my own .emacs for years, as it happens.
>
> I'm guessing this variable was made a defcustom under pressure from
> people who didn't want to see "(DOS)".
I think it's rather from people who *can't* see "(DOS)" (not literally
"can't", but find the indicator easy to miss). I came across a post [1]
about this recently (the post itself is from 2016):
Many versions ago, if you opened a dos-line-end file on Linux you
would see the extra ^M codes. Now it automatically recognizes the
situation and puts "DOS" in the info bar and hides the extra ^Ms.
How can I exit "DOS" mode and switch back to Unix mode? How can I
disable the auto-detection and force the files to be opened with
Unix line endings and the DOS CR shown as ^M?
And a further comment from the OP about it:
I guess there isn't really a compelling reason for it except that I
only occasionally encounter dos files and I was used to that obvious
visual cue of all the ^M's when I open one.
So this does sound like it's all about files. If inhibit-eol-conversion
is problematic, maybe a setting for file-coding-system-alist would be a
better recommendation?
[1]: https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/24984/how-to-disable-automatic-dos-mode/38576
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It does help me in that I can see the Windows line endings and manually remove them. If you want to remove them, just saving the file after typing "C-x RET f unix RET" is a more efficient way than removing the CR characters by hand. (You can make the combination of the above with "C-x C-s" a function bound to a key, so invoking it will be a snap.) The indication in the mode line clearly shows that the file has Windows EOL format, so you know when to apply that. > > But my impression was > > that we will now have to bind it almost everywhere, in which case > > making it not an option is a better way, IMO. > > As I said, I have been happily using this option for years. I was referring to what Glenn proposed as a remedy. Anyway, I suggest to review this setting, because Emacs development didn't stall since then. You might find that there are better solutions for the problems you had back then, and some problems might not exist at all. > archive-7z-summarize was the first thing I noticed > not working because of it-- if you don't count failure to remove ^M's on paste, which I am used to by now. > Since I filed this bug report I have been happily continuing along my way with a let binding in advice for > archive-7z-summarize. So I suspect your fears might be overblown. I'm okay with fixing this for archive-7z-summarize by forcing the variable to have the right value, if that solves your problem (does it?). But I'm opposed to inventing yet another, separate option for reading sub-process output, as proposed by Glenn, primarily because I don't think it will solve problems such as this one. I'm also opposed to introducing any other significant infrastructure for similar use cases, because I think having inhibit-eol-conversion globally non-nil is a thing of the past, and there are nowadays much better and less intrusive solutions for whatever problems people had when the related features were first introduced into Emacs 20 years ago.
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> Emacs on Windows doesn't save files with Windows
> line endings, unless they had Windows line endings before you visited
> them, and in the latter case setting inhibit-eol-conversion will not
> help you in any way.
Not quite true. It does help me in that I can see the Windows line endings =
and manually remove them.
> But my impression was
> that we will now have to bind it almost everywhere, in which case
> making it not an option is a better way, IMO.
As I said, I have been happily using this option for years. archive-7z-summ=
arize was the first thing I noticed not working because of it-- if you don'=
t count failure to remove ^M's on paste, which I am used to by now. Since I=
filed this bug report I have been happily continuing along my way with a l=
et binding in advice for archive-7z-summarize. So I suspect your fears migh=
t be overblown.
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Not quite true. It does help me in that I can see the Windows line endings =
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Why is the OP setting this variable to begin with?
>
> I think that a user who sets this variable, as opposed to let-binding
> it for a single operation, is shooting themselves in the foot. This
> is not how this variable is supposed to be used. Just don't do that.
> Any solution we would try to invent for this is going to bite us
> somewhere.
>
> If there are good reasons for setting this variable globally, let's
> hear them. I'm not aware of any use patterns which would require
> that.
It's a customizable user option. It seems perfectly valid to me to set
it globally, for the reasons given in the manual:
some people prefer this to the more subtle '(DOS)' end-of-line type
indication near the left edge of the mode line
I've had it set in my own .emacs for years, as it happens.
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I set it in my .emacs years ago, so I can't be sure. That said, I think it =
was probably because I almost never want to write a file with Windows line =
endings.
________________________________
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:29:59 PM
To: Glenn Morris
Cc: Peromsik, Aaron; 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#23709: 24.5; inhibit-eol-conversion breaks archive-7z-summ=
arize
> From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN>
> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:39 -0400
> Cc: 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>
>
> > M-x set-variable inhibit-eol-conversion t
> >
> > Then try to open a 7z file. The expected summary does not appear. In th=
e
> > *Messages* buffer (quoted below) you can see that the re-search-forward
> > call in archive-7z-summarize is confused by the ^M in the output of the
> > 7za command. Perhaps adding inhibit-eol-conversion nil to that function=
's
> > let block would be in order?
>
> Thanks for the report. I wonder if inhibit-eol-conversion should not
> apply to processes, or should only apply to buffers visiting files, or
> if there should be a process-specific version of i-e-c? Because as it
> stands I think several places will break if ^M appears in process output
> (eg vc-bzr). Binding inhibit-eol-conversion to nil around every single
> process call doesn't sound sensible. But then term.el does the opposite,
> binding it to t. Hmm. So maybe a process-specific version of
> inhibit-eol-conversion, defaulting to nil?
Why is the OP setting this variable to begin with?
I think that a user who sets this variable, as opposed to let-binding
it for a single operation, is shooting themselves in the foot. This
is not how this variable is supposed to be used. Just don't do that.
Any solution we would try to invent for this is going to bite us
somewhere.
If there are good reasons for setting this variable globally, let's
hear them. I'm not aware of any use patterns which would require
that.
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<p>I set it in my .emacs years ago, so I can't be sure. That said, I t=
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:29:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Glenn Morris<br>
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> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:39 -0400<br>
> Cc: 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > M-x set-variable inhibit-eol-conversion t<br>
> ><br>
> > Then try to open a 7z file. The expected summary does not appear.=
In the<br>
> > *Messages* buffer (quoted below) you can see that the re-search-f=
orward<br>
> > call in archive-7z-summarize is confused by the ^M in the output =
of the<br>
> > 7za command. Perhaps adding inhibit-eol-conversion nil to that fu=
nction's<br>
> > let block would be in order?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for the report. I wonder if inhibit-eol-conversion should not<b=
r>
> apply to processes, or should only apply to buffers visiting files, or=
<br>
> if there should be a process-specific version of i-e-c? Because as it<=
br>
> stands I think several places will break if ^M appears in process outp=
ut<br>
> (eg vc-bzr). Binding inhibit-eol-conversion to nil around every single=
<br>
> process call doesn't sound sensible. But then term.el does the opposit=
e,<br>
> binding it to t. Hmm. So maybe a process-specific version of<br>
> inhibit-eol-conversion, defaulting to nil?<br>
<br>
Why is the OP setting this variable to begin with?<br>
<br>
I think that a user who sets this variable, as opposed to let-binding<br>
it for a single operation, is shooting themselves in the foot. This<b=
r>
is not how this variable is supposed to be used. Just don't do that.<=
br>
Any solution we would try to invent for this is going to bite us<br>
somewhere.<br>
<br>
If there are good reasons for setting this variable globally, let's<br>
hear them. I'm not aware of any use patterns which would require<br>
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#23709; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 23709) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Apr 2017 20:10:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 04 16:10:57 2017 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1cvUn3-00011C-4B for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cvUn0-00010s-Cs for 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cvUmu-0003UQ-9f for 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49107) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cvUms-0003Rt-20; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:46 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rgm@HIDDEN>) id 1cvUmm-0002wP-0X; Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:40 -0400 From: Glenn Morris <rgm@HIDDEN> To: peromsik@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#23709: 24.5; inhibit-eol-conversion breaks archive-7z-summarize References: <9zpeg8a0yxz.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spook: fraud Colombia ARPA Khaddafi anarchy Small Pox BATF sweep X-Ran: C]WW5z'enAv[CV]a;'e?\A|le.HcMK]Lj;*$HIvoIgg/eYw&\g"G7ed!Xb<F&o'l}lcRE, X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2017 16:10:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9zpeg8a0yxz.fsf@HIDDEN> (peromsik@HIDDEN's message of "Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:50:16 -0400") Message-ID: <6zo9wcc4sg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 23709 Cc: 23709 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > M-x set-variable inhibit-eol-conversion t > > Then try to open a 7z file. The expected summary does not appear. In the > *Messages* buffer (quoted below) you can see that the re-search-forward > call in archive-7z-summarize is confused by the ^M in the output of the > 7za command. Perhaps adding inhibit-eol-conversion nil to that function's > let block would be in order? Thanks for the report. I wonder if inhibit-eol-conversion should not apply to processes, or should only apply to buffers visiting files, or if there should be a process-specific version of i-e-c? Because as it stands I think several places will break if ^M appears in process output (eg vc-bzr). Binding inhibit-eol-conversion to nil around every single process call doesn't sound sensible. But then term.el does the opposite, binding it to t. Hmm. So maybe a process-specific version of inhibit-eol-conversion, defaulting to nil?
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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:53:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) M-x set-variable inhibit-eol-conversion t Then try to open a 7z file. The expected summary does not appear. In the *Messages* buffer (quoted below) you can see that the re-search-forward call in archive-7z-summarize is confused by the ^M in the output of the 7za command. Perhaps adding inhibit-eol-conversion nil to that function's let block would be in order? 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