Received: (at 33967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2019 22:24:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 07 17:24:25 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49043 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ggdJo-0000jI-QD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:24:25 -0500 Received: from bonobo.maple.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.214.22]:45946) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1ggdJh-0000j3-Oa for 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:24:22 -0500 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@HIDDEN Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADF75C4247; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.35.77]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 31E9B5C487E; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:24:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@HIDDEN Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.2); Mon, 07 Jan 2019 22:24:16 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|jurta@HIDDEN X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Troubled-Duck: 3c5e1db60aeda184_1546899856362_514885982 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1546899856362:189882733 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1546899856361 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71D97F5D7; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:24:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=linkov.net; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=linkov.net; bh=Sr38hNvS05GvPPGxTccxAg0/EQ4=; b= yqKrJOgk/pcJq4ygj9JtjuU00+bdG2/Uc0b7Xu0OlFVs/SsPFRBbPNMbO3s0k+vJ lEEtgh2ceCvA+uXdhAtLxo4i+3esyYjhBEgcB2WcwevsIkDB0qk1hTkK7ZPdGmpd qdV3Bhy7fkAwsjrEs5+RHGJ71rZXcFB2aWkPL0UZK7M= Received: from mail.jurta.org (m91-129-109-141.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.109.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jurta@HIDDEN) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a35.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 901217F5CC; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:24:13 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a35 From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33967: [Feature Request] Use proportional fonts in Info-mode Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <29a0d099-3af3-446e-9f0f-d5c2aacfcaf9@HIDDEN> <83muog3oig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87muof56gm.fsf@HIDDEN> <835zv21mr5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ef9ps5ed.fsf@HIDDEN> <83lg3xyw8n.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 23:49:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83lg3xyw8n.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:36:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87tvikf9mt.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtledrvdejgdduheekucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpffftgfetoffjqffuvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvufhofhffjgfkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucfkphepledurdduvdelrddutdelrddugedunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrjhhurhhtrgdrohhrghdpihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddtledrudeguddprhgvthhurhhnqdhprghthheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnrhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: >> > The problem is not to render HTML per se, the problem is to support >> > the Info features like index search in HTML, something I don't know >> > what would it take until we see what makeinfo emi [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 1.3 RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL RBL: Relay in RNBL, https://senderscore.org/blacklistlookup/ [23.83.214.22 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [23.83.214.22 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33967 Cc: 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, a@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> > The problem is not to render HTML per se, the problem is to support >> > the Info features like index search in HTML, something I don't know >> > what would it take until we see what makeinfo emits. >> >> We can get index entries from the links found in the Index HTML pages >> that makeinfo already emits, i.e. the same way that the Info reader >> already parses .info files, it can parse .html files that should be simpler >> since there is less ambiguity in HTML format. > > I don't think we should invent our own HTML-Info conventions. There's > a person actively working on that for the Texinfo project; when that > job is done, we should support whatever comes out of that. If you > want to be part of that work, please contact the Texinfo developers. Emacs could support the existing HTML-Info convention, i.e. HTML files already emitted by the current version of makeinfo. After modernization of HTML output by Texinfo developers, the Emacs Info reader could also support a new HTML-Info convention. But since supporting both formats would be more work, maybe better to wait for a new convention indeed.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2019 03:37:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 06 22:37:04 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47518 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ggLiq-0002Ti-0J for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:37:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48489) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ggLio-0002TF-DS for 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:37:02 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ggLii-00048s-9a for 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:36:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ggLii-00048o-6H; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:36:56 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4588 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ggLih-0002kM-QJ; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 22:36:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 05:36:40 +0200 Message-Id: <83lg3xyw8n.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87ef9ps5ed.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 07 Jan 2019 02:00:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33967: [Feature Request] Use proportional fonts in Info-mode References: <29a0d099-3af3-446e-9f0f-d5c2aacfcaf9@HIDDEN> <83muog3oig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87muof56gm.fsf@HIDDEN> <835zv21mr5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ef9ps5ed.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:470:142:3::e X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33967 Cc: 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, a@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Cc: a@HIDDEN, 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 02:00:42 +0200 > > > The problem is not to render HTML per se, the problem is to support > > the Info features like index search in HTML, something I don't know > > what would it take until we see what makeinfo emits. > > We can get index entries from the links found in the Index HTML pages > that makeinfo already emits, i.e. the same way that the Info reader > already parses .info files, it can parse .html files that should be simpler > since there is less ambiguity in HTML format. I don't think we should invent our own HTML-Info conventions. There's a person actively working on that for the Texinfo project; when that job is done, we should support whatever comes out of that. If you want to be part of that work, please contact the Texinfo developers.
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But this is a >> > long-term goal, and cannot be reached by changes in Emacs alone. >> >> It's easy to add HTML support to the Emacs Info reader >> with the help of shr.el HTML renderer, but I guess this >> should wait until the stand-alone Info reader supports HTML. > > The problem is not to render HTML per se, the problem is to support > the Info features like index search in HTML, something I don't know > what would it take until we see what makeinfo emits. We can get index entries from the links found in the Index HTML pages that makeinfo already emits, i.e. the same way that the Info reader already parses .info files, it can parse .html files that should be simpler since there is less ambiguity in HTML format.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33967) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2019 19:41:08 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 06 14:41:08 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49024 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ggEIF-0005I3-UO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44837) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ggEIE-0005Hw-BH for 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ggEIC-0000uI-SL for 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:05 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ggEIA-0000qn-43; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:02 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1ggEI9-0004ZE-UM; Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:01 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87muof56gm.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 05 Jan 2019 23:51:54 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33967: [Feature Request] Use proportional fonts in Info-mode References: <29a0d099-3af3-446e-9f0f-d5c2aacfcaf9@HIDDEN> <83muog3oig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87muof56gm.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1ggEI9-0004ZE-UM@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2019 14:41:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33967 Cc: 33967 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, eliz@HIDDEN, a@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It's easy to add HTML support to the Emacs Info reader > with the help of shr.el HTML renderer, but I guess this > should wait until the stand-alone Info reader supports HTML. If we could do this now, it would be useful right away. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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But this is a > long-term goal, and cannot be reached by changes in Emacs alone. It's easy to add HTML support to the Emacs Info reader with the help of shr.el HTML renderer, but I guess this should wait until the stand-alone Info reader supports HTML.
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"Alex Griffin" wrote:
> Right now Emacs' built-in info viewer renders almost everything using
> the default face. I can set the default face to a proportional font
> and read most manuals just fine, but sometimes fixed-width fonts are
> assumed. Try using a proportional font on "(ledger3)Register Report"
> for example. It renders terribly in Emacs even though texinfo's html
> output successfully mixes proportional and fixed-width fonts [1].
>
> It would be nice to improve it by using proportional fonts where
> appropriate, and fixed-width fonts only where necessary. This would
> improve readability and better match texinfo's html output.
IIUC what you are asking for, the relevant markup information simply
isn't present in .info files, so what you are asking for seems
impossible.
For example, compare
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Defining-Hash.html#Defining-Hash
with elisp.info. The latter contains:
This example creates a hash table whose keys are strings that are
compared case-insensitively.
(defun case-fold-string= (a b)
(eq t (compare-strings a nil nil b nil nil t)))
ie, examples are not delimited in any fashion.
So you would first have to get a change in texinfo before this could work.
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I take it you really mean > "have the option of using proportional fonts". I've nothing against > that. Just having the option would be a nice improvement, there's no need to agree on the relative readability of each. Using more varied faces would also make it possible for you to style more elements of info manuals even in the terminal. > I'm wholly unconvinced that making Info "better match" HTML is at all > worthwhile. Where's the advantage in such a match, even supposing it is > possible? I guess I don't care whether they match or not. I was just calling attention to the fact that texinfo already knows what needs to be formatted in fixed-width. (In contrast, most man pages don't track the semantic information that's necessary to render them in anything but fixed-width.) -- Alex Griffin
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Hello, Alex.
In article <mailman.6730.1546547831.1284.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> you wrote:
> Right now Emacs' built-in info viewer renders almost everything using
> the default face. I can set the default face to a proportional font and
> read most manuals just fine, but sometimes fixed-width fonts are
> assumed. Try using a proportional font on "(ledger3)Register Report"
> for example. It renders terribly in Emacs even though texinfo's html
> output successfully mixes proportional and fixed-width fonts [1].
> It would be nice to improve it by using proportional fonts where
> appropriate, and fixed-width fonts only where necessary. This would
> improve readability and better match texinfo's html output.
I'm happy to do without such "improvements", taking advantage of the high
readability of my terminal's fixed width font. I take it you really mean
"have the option of using proportional fonts". I've nothing against
that.
I'm not sure whether proportional fonts really do improve readability.
My standard test is to use such a font to display the notional C
fragment: "Legal||Illegal" and check that what's displayed isn't just an
indistinguishable mass of vertical lines between legible characters.
However, you're probably aware that TexInfo formats text into lines, with
line breaks. These may not display well with proportional fonts.
I'm wholly unconvinced that making Info "better match" HTML is at all
worthwhile. Where's the advantage in such a match, even supposing it is
possible?
> Thanks,
> --
> Alex Griffin
> [1]: https://www.ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Register-Report
--
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I can set the default face to a proportional font and read most manuals just fine, but sometimes fixed-width fonts are assumed. Try using a proportional font on "(ledger3)Register Report" for example. It renders terribly in Emacs even though texinfo's html output successfully mixes proportional and fixed-width fonts [1]. It would be nice to improve it by using proportional fonts where appropriate, and fixed-width fonts only where necessary. This would improve readability and better match texinfo's html output. Thanks, -- Alex Griffin [1]: https://www.ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Register-Report
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