Received: (at 36296) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2021 10:07:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 30 05:07:04 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1l5n9h-0002jy-5Z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:07:03 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54212) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1l5n9e-0002ji-MW for 36296 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 05:07:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FDi0qVPVn/IRPPyrQz4JtpOb+YDJ4w/0W/c0YggWtEo=; b=ekz60Qv7JY/zkrx0Sq7rqPFkNo 5xqU1yqOGt8kPuq/3fENpIvMrXZYMYdgagIaYU4PVHj+t4MGhOpamPJCbpe7CUmi1QbZ/e/lo/uFe J4b21pMVobZ/2MGtkrQXy8v6J+9yEt+3J/IR5RRHHCqRI8cs1QEqcUqUSP2wbsftfzk4=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1l5n9O-00073j-BK; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:06:52 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#36296: 26.2; cannot-suspend value on MS Win & resume description References: <75a98727-b72d-962c-a4f3-49641cf5c713@HIDDEN> X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Live in Eindhoven (1980)_: "Dark Companion" Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 11:06:40 +0100 In-Reply-To: <75a98727-b72d-962c-a4f3-49641cf5c713@HIDDEN> (Sebastian Urban's message of "Wed, 19 Jun 2019 19:50:48 +0200") Message-ID: <87k0ruwxfz.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban@HIDDEN> writes: > on MS Windows (official build) variable `cannot-suspend' has value > `nil', while according to this thread on help-gnu-emacs: > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-0/msg00259.html [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36296 Cc: 36296 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban@HIDDEN> writes: > on MS Windows (official build) variable `cannot-suspend' has value > `nil', while according to this thread on help-gnu-emacs: > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-0/msg00259.html > probably should have value `t'. PROBLEMS says: *** C-z just refreshes the screen instead of suspending Emacs. You are probably using a shell that doesn't support job control, even though the system itself is capable of it. Either use a different shell, or set the variable 'cannot-suspend' to a non-nil value. -------- I'm not very familiar with how this works under Windows, but from the text there, it sounds like it depends on the shell, so Emacs can't really default the variable to t just based on the OS? Or is this always the case on Windows (that `C-z' doesn't work?) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::12a X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hello, on MS Windows (official build) variable `cannot-suspend' has value `nil', while according to this thread on help-gnu-emacs: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2019-0/msg00259.html probably should have value `t'. Although there is a line in documentation of suspend-emacs ``If `cannot-suspend' is non-nil, or if the system doesn't support job control, run a subshell instead.'', so it suppose to work even with `nil' and it does for me (both 26.2 and emacs-27.0.50-snapshot-2019-06-08-i686), but as Ó. Fuentes wrote in the thread above: > I tried C-z on MSWindows and it does not run a subshell. The console > blinks but nothing else happens. I'm using a development version, > though. So maybe set it to `t' for MS Windows to be sure it'll work? And the second part, as I wrote in mentioned thread: > But also, maybe a line about this in the Emacs manual? I mean if we > have `%emacs' in the manual, so why not a line about times when there > is no job control, which leads to subshell and for example `exit' as > a way out back to Emacs. Maybe just putting "or `exit'" next to > `%emacs' would be sufficient (I'm just guessing here). S. U. 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