Received: (at 51621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Nov 2021 03:37:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 06 23:37:11 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51442 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mjYzW-0004a2-Ub for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2021 23:37:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <winkler@HIDDEN>) id 1mjYzT-0004Zl-HU for 51621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Nov 2021 23:37:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33874) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <winkler@HIDDEN>) id 1mjYzN-0007xR-BZ; Sat, 06 Nov 2021 23:37:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=/dxv/pAEEpPc7ylQRkp2U9BmWiVkioQCvIzGREHsR7E=; b=Wzz4/efuY0qr1WwuMD+p /xE82ZXXp2xWNSpumxdJ0qOOXy93woIJDym1XB1cSDzIH1Iq48kVNj9IBAnIXweo80Ccgag5V7Vsm 2k0qBvcEH0g6FePKy6Bv5KzsPbsDTAd+IaDue78cUSMir+YbfoODvm2zxeX1Dq8P34CV//SvyBsRt MEszGUUtA9iW5dgsTqWcfrJSuVO8BbHOtZfM0PT8JkSZLDV+NNxFId5d5nGN/nctbm7w6vG7Gat18 bQiDZwP9e/vHl86XZi97O/f6XkPNGozaKznl4PXKUGGKvKnXuIfty541xYtJEqZBN5nsByo0hHAfN 3/vcNX1exkPz/g==; Received: from [2600:1700:5650:f790::42] (port=50034 helo=regnitz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <winkler@HIDDEN>) id 1mjYzN-00061f-5V; Sat, 06 Nov 2021 23:37:01 -0400 From: "Roland Winkler" <winkler@HIDDEN> To: Leonard Lausen <leonard@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#51621: 29.0.50; bibtex.el biblatex "2.1.3 Non-standard Types" support References: <87v91618i8.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2021 22:37:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87v91618i8.fsf@HIDDEN> (Leonard Lausen's message of "Fri, 05 Nov 2021 23:35:11 +0000") Message-ID: <87v914ab6r.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51621 Cc: 51621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On Fri, Nov 05 2021, Leonard Lausen wrote: > Would it make sense to add support for these types to bibtex.el? I myself do not use biblatex. But it seems to me that the sheer number of entry types supported by biblatex gets overwhelming and inefficient for users that may use only a subset of all biblatex entry types. Could it make sense to break down the list of biblatex entry types into two customizable subsets such that commands like bibtex-entry and the menu "Entry-Types" list only the "important" entry types, whereas functions like bibtex-validate accept the complete set of entry types supported by biblatex? Roland
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Nov 2021 23:35:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 05 19:35:30 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mj8k6-0001F1-8p for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 19:35:30 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <leonard@HIDDEN>) id 1mj8k4-0001Es-4z for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 19:35:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <leonard@HIDDEN>) id 1mj8k3-0000yM-VY for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 19:35:27 -0400 Received: from devico.uberspace.de ([185.26.156.185]:47964) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <leonard@HIDDEN>) id 1mj8k1-0006XT-5Q for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 05 Nov 2021 19:35:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 318 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2021 23:35:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by devico.uberspace.de with SMTP; 5 Nov 2021 23:35:15 -0000 From: Leonard Lausen <leonard@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 29.0.50; bibtex.el biblatex "2.1.3 Non-standard Types" support Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 23:35:11 +0000 Message-ID: <87v91618i8.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.26.156.185; envelope-from=leonard@HIDDEN; helo=devico.uberspace.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: winkler@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) biblatex types such as @audio, @music, @review from section 2.1.3 of the biblatex documentation are not considered by bibtex.el's biblatex dialect implementation. The standard styles treat these types (with exceptions) like @misc. An example of an exception is @review, which is a more specific variant of the @article type. I think the types are called non-standard, because the standard bibliography styles provide no bibliography drivers for these types, but these types are known to the default data model and will be happily accepted by biber. The impact is that emacs will not recognize entries of those types as valid entries, and prevent referencing them via org-cite or applying operations such as bibtex-clean-entry. To reproduce run `emacs -Q`. Then switch to `bibtex-mode` and set `(bibtex-set-dialect 'biblatex t)`. Finally paste (taken from https://tex.stackexchange.com/a/435059/106845) @audio{Smith2018, author={Stacey Vanek Smith and Stanley Plotkin}, title={The Economics of Vaccines}, howpublished={NPR}, organization={Planet Money} month=6, year=2010, series={Planet Money}, url={https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=616926505} } and navigate the cursor into the @audio entry. Then execute `M-x bibtex-clean-entry` and observe "Not inside a BibTex entry" error message. Would it make sense to add support for these types to bibtex.el? In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.29, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2021-11-05 built on leonard-xps13 Repository revision: 37632dae180e9d5196ef01343fefa9234c5f05b9 Repository branch: feature/pgtk Repository: https://github.com/leezu/emacs Windowing system distributor 'System Description: Gentoo/Linux Configured using: 'configure --with-cairo --with-x-toolkit=no --with-pgtk --with-modules --with-native-compilation --prefix=/home/leonard/local' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XIM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: zh_CN.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: BibTeX Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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