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I did:
emacs -Q
C-x 8 e e
This pops up a window with a list of Emoji categories and the
respective Emoji. It looks like a normal popup window Emacs shows,
for example *Help* or a list of completion candidates, so I just typed
<UP> arrow to dismiss it as I'm used to. (Or maybe I expected the
arrow keys to allow selection of categories?) This displays the
following message in the echo-area:
Unbound suffix: ‘<up>’ (Use ‘C-g’ to abort, ‘?’ for help) [previous-line]
Tried some other keys with a similar effect. (What is "suffix", and
"unbound" on top of that?) So finally, I press '?', hoping it will
show me the light. This gets me the following:
Type a <KEY> to show help for that suffix command, or ? to show manual.
Type C-g to exit help.
Tried to type some <KEY>. For example, 'a'. This produces:
emoji--command-Emoji\ >\ Animals\ &\ Nature is an interactive compiled
Lisp function.
(emoji--command-Emoji\ >\ Animals\ &\ Nature)
Not documented.
This function is for interactive use only.
Hmm... not very helpful, as I still don't understand how to do
something useful here. "Not documented"? hmm...
But I'm not yet frustrated enough for C-g, so I type a second '?',
hoping to see the manual, and is presented with the following:
emoji--command-Emoji is an interactive compiled Lisp function.
(emoji--command-Emoji)
Not documented.
This function is for interactive use only.
Where's my promised "manual"?
So, bottom line, I think it would be mighty good to make this
interface more user-friendly, so that it at least describes what
<KEY>s one can type to produce something useful. And if it promises a
"manual", please make it show something to that effect...
In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 210, i686-pc-mingw32)
of 2021-11-23 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7
Repository revision: 8b62b20159f8ec3f5c7ea5227f814681741d61b1
Repository branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600)
Configured using:
'configure -C --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int
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Configured features:
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locale-coding-system: cp1255
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