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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Perhaps in general that is true, but I think in this case previous > behavior is an important aspect that we should try to preserve. I think having convenient C-c C-* commands in the NEWS file is more important than having to adjust to using the outline-minor-mode commands. (And there will probably be more of them.) 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I think having convenient C-c C-* commands in the NEWS file is more important than having to adjust to using the outline-minor-mode commands. (And there will probably be more of them.) Outline mode takes 22 C-c keystrokes, which makes things really awkward. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Content preview: Kévin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes: >> I
see only 1 way: to set buffer-local outline-level where to subtract 1. >
> FWIW, this is exactly what org-outline-level does, since Org also sets >
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K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.legouguec@HIDDEN> writes:
>> I see only 1 way: to set buffer-local outline-level where to subtract 1.
>
> FWIW, this is exactly what org-outline-level does, since Org also sets
> outline-regexp to "\\*+ ".
>
> (NB: IIUC from outline-regexp's docstring, it is not necessary to anchor
> the regexp with "^")
Ah, yes; thanks. I've now fixed both things on the trunk.
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Apr 2022 10:45:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 20 06:45:28 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45173 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1nh7pw-0000gu-9k for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 06:45:28 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nh7pu-0000gh-B8 for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 06:45:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=a3mVQbF4cLW3CitPcuxZW4jyCrjrLOufB3iruXqMN7M=; b=P4T1N5R1z9FE56Lw3i0z8K0CtV U8dp/wYhHNXiuzY6dIA+5yR8DBk94AA53hPBBaE9VTN77v7qpgoJUBsOV0UZ5X4AMZKSx5/sm0s01 hwJHyx095DiDIDnI1oGIsUzfcCsO1Bm6rHzQg+0/Zs9f0sVAZq42q25uRHPaJYGreuRk=; Received: from [176.75.143.124] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1nh7pl-0000xO-A6; Wed, 20 Apr 2022 12:45:19 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <10f8d75a-1c3d-aa83-2cb9-4619df9925ad@HIDDEN> <878rs3mm4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k2qn5pl.fsf@HIDDEN> <f89d57da-f623-6f3c-a051-52bac6de5473@HIDDEN> <87sfq9b7hw.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k2pb2i8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgkh9mnq.fsf@HIDDEN> <83bkwxukfg.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 12:45:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83bkwxukfg.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:06:43 +0300") Message-ID: <87lew09gp0.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Now the only issue that remains, AFAICT, is the different key bindings > for outline-related commands in NEWES, caused by the fact that > emacs-news-mode activates outline-minor-mode. Could we perha [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: jporterbugs@HIDDEN, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Now the only issue that remains, AFAICT, is the different key bindings > for outline-related commands in NEWES, caused by the fact that > emacs-news-mode activates outline-minor-mode. Could we perhaps solve > this by having emacs-news-mode be derived from outline-mode, not from > text-mode? If not, why not? I thought it would be more consistent to have both emacs-news-view-mode and emacs-news-mode use outline-minor-mode, but I don't really have a strong opinion here. (We're moving all the "help"-ish buffers to use outline-minor-mode, after all.) But emacs-news-mode is for editing, so perhaps it makes sense to use outline-mode here. It does steal an awful lot of the `C-c C-*' keys, though, so I'm not very enthusiastic about outline-mode in general and think we should avoid it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
> Now the only issue that remains, AFAICT, is the different key bindings
> for outline-related commands in NEWES, caused by the fact that
> emacs-news-mode activates outline-minor-mode. Could we perhaps solve
> this by having emacs-news-mode be derived from outline-mode, not from
> text-mode? If not, why not?
I second that request.
outline-minor-mode's extra "@" doesn't bother me that much (because
repeat-mode makes it easy to chain commands), but it'd still be nice if
outline-mode's shorter bindings could remain ("@" is a bit awkward on
AZERTY).
The only issue I see is that it entails rebinding
emacs-news-find-heading and emacs-news-count-untagged-entries?
(I've only looked at navigation commands; didn't check
section-visibility commands because I mindlessly spam TAB)
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2022 19:17:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 19 15:17:06 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngtLV-0005kr-TW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:17:06 -0400 Received: from relay2-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.194]:44019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1ngtLU-0005kJ-Mq for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:17:05 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0513E40003; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 19:16:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <10f8d75a-1c3d-aa83-2cb9-4619df9925ad@HIDDEN> <878rs3mm4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k2qn5pl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgkilr1i.fsf@HIDDEN> <86sfqarzyx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o80xb7e5.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 22:15:45 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87o80xb7e5.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:10:58 +0200") Message-ID: <8635i8opem.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> there are different outline header colors between Emacs 28 and 29 >> because of different outline levels. The additional level comes >> from the space character at the end of outline-regexp "^\\*+ ". > > I wanted to avoid having stuff like > > ** New thing for help buffers. > *Help* buffers can be etc... > > triggering an outline thing on the second line. Is there a way to do > that without including the space in outline-regexp? I see only 1 way: to set buffer-local outline-level where to subtract 1.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > But! Emacs only interprets the first mode: line it finds, so having > > mode: outline > mode: emacs-news > > and then extending Emacs on the trunk heed the final (defined) mode > would be both backw [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > But! Emacs only interprets the first mode: line it finds, so having > > mode: outline > mode: emacs-news > > and then extending Emacs on the trunk heed the final (defined) mode > would be both backwards and forwards compatible (as well as making this > an alternative to -*-, making things more regular), so I'll take a peek > at doing that. I've now fixed this, and it seems to be both backwards and forwards compatible. But while testing, I found another new bug in the -*- parsing of mode: variables, so I'll be fixing that, too. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2022 13:56:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 19 09:56:46 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43827 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngoLW-0006BE-LW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:56:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:35670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1ngoLV-0006Ay-AL for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:56:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zXOnCmQGlhxsVjQvt8V1iH0unfTEGWmMOyxA5r6UxGs=; b=B9RKeveK8ZRj+fO8kkGjzAkjef obleEtFdns1XXHvIoa4n86opoLEEnxEAWoHsp+9jM/Eteo98NDflHq+68oOg/FHf0x6n5b8KNTS0m H5YIqRDx0koF/ZLfWHpzeKRJThVBFw/6s9TyciB95V20PTzjVQsAtOOep0dU8xNeGNDE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1ngoLH-0007o1-H9; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:56:36 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <10f8d75a-1c3d-aa83-2cb9-4619df9925ad@HIDDEN> <878rs3mm4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k2qn5pl.fsf@HIDDEN> <f89d57da-f623-6f3c-a051-52bac6de5473@HIDDEN> <87sfq9b7hw.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEULBQUoICFRPUNn dZVpmtOfudno8viXPEP///8bYlSiAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+YEEw00KUql9EYAAAGr SURBVDjLxZM9mqMwDIZxmrSIhnYiCnoEwwGwTwAiF1ioBzyzuv7KIZlgJlOvHiq/fPr0YyfJd5jU AJKbNbi6PE/1gwzrG5ie4BYqsByD9KaCoj6CTZBR7V6CguwvQDONP4HJHoJ9uRu4nx+AZuKXICsc 38lQwR5od5t3DIL31t489TEorN2KHeiSHsD8Aqj5NtqZfyjqLRNbOvTXPkBUrSoaLWoaeegikOSF m8ZJe1SwWZw/wqJMTj2z+N7ZhzckZzmtadn0rvWN1J+EWw5JVpOnIESNDOytr5a77fKWZksuvnN+ YKk93kGC6SlPoGw6J533nUgpweQsH/liFDjrrvLZ+hIBtltzu24Z2k4XMtiuiiZ1otqGRVlLGE0K eRx0UeyGCp+TAkTSOQ3NyK6vEJ7nRRPm94dU0uMelPJ3HueJuGdCfFjosxAfFEyOaG9hShknz/Te E1YXgB1451bWhiS0BrtiCxZp16ugRgRyka/FtyIoAtFaSxFTNlcpEU201sRcEERk1ZcbAQC1zVDe MthbBKJV6t/mcgBGM4SjUG0Se6QQHvUhz/+Kfz/Jl3rKLNIPAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAy MDIyLTA0LTE5VDEzOjUyOjQwKzAwOjAwQFSYMAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wNC0x OVQxMzo1Mjo0MCswMDowMDEJIIwAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Soft Cell's _Cruelty Without Beauty (1)_: "Monoculture" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:56:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sfq9b7hw.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:08:43 +0200") Message-ID: <874k2pb2i8.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >> It's probably failing for you because you need to do this in the >> opposite order (and remove the "-mode"): >> >> mode: outline; mode: emacs-news Aha! This works: Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >> It's probably failing for you because you need to do this in the >> opposite order (and remove the "-mode"): >> >> mode: outline; mode: emacs-news Aha! This works: -*- mode: outline; mode: emacs-news -*- But it doesn't work in the Local variables: section, which can only have one mode/variable per line. But! Emacs only interprets the first mode: line it finds, so having mode: outline mode: emacs-news and then extending Emacs on the trunk heed the final (defined) mode would be both backwards and forwards compatible (as well as making this an alternative to -*-, making things more regular), so I'll take a peek at doing that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes: > The correct spelling would be > > "*Help*" buffers can be etc... I don't much like that spelling in NEWS. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes: > The correct spelling would be > > "*Help*" buffers can be etc... I don't much like that spelling in NEWS. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#54993; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Apr 2022 13:18:47 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 19 09:18:47 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngnki-0004oH-GW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:18:47 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:54831) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>) id 1ngnkc-0004nz-D3 for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:18:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1650374312; bh=NGFQM50uhNN/rQ0J+XXQN0ibIxnl+jAv8UBB+e9yY1Y=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=LRyBYIuneGhTYvyK+Z4p8J8o8KA92L593cGCsPwskUdSdGVZfmSO1F/5Eeaa+5FwJ EmuEbnXOA/iHaaoUz+b+2Y5zZYvvEyw0NyXcTHsqbnCsq+yZsmlZfH40x12PAYyQXx xYOSUFaVUHjKnOC3sE5O7xhXS5v0cxwxkyZ9TJV4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.156.67]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MHXFr-1nlQRi3yYT-00DTnc; Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:32 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <10f8d75a-1c3d-aa83-2cb9-4619df9925ad@HIDDEN> <878rs3mm4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874k2qn5pl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zgkilr1i.fsf@HIDDEN> <86sfqarzyx.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o80xb7e5.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:18:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87o80xb7e5.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:10:58 +0200") Message-ID: <87fsm9b49l.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:q7+eNw7SxG3JZVCi1vC9OTq8DZB+9AaLixqmcCBQuFuEZrQyYR0 3KTkiE5wPLvT1TBMdxhJ5xRIlYCJUi6DZ4h1T4lP+bcPFZ85Fgtw42D4leJh9eD1AVaWu0C Xlt9NQkaBdcTEXUF96GZ3DkuJHL7S3RoyYdwEswN1CAk3dXUqFbG0oxXOny0gZ7P5YRjVFY tuisw2qdXCfhlpFSxXmVw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:jE0zbwLRgeA=:L0kZ9MOjQFnG/ZbGWQgZs+ GCzJuSigGpd1CT1KhRXVQt3ubPrjLRpb1DdAYEykKS14M+/qsBmem8+2EZbra/ZEmbXVDsehO KgZduHytq4JZMjhYfQr8TmtO/Ni1hOUPOEzcsenpyEo27VRjFplKbdKS3Hyr0H4ayY14SHQXS UJd4DT/aq0F0S8FhgXdLhwkKPlunTZbMvkagL1QHnE1Mdt9o/hLnxqidsOv9MmYNenUfCdwzy 7ciwev6RzV2fgRpHKGzYuG7somiUrv3AhZOSWn4fwaLovS2+jt8BVei8xLzgpiKmV6h424ugB k3WR4TbFoPv/F03yETVYkPHpXhqOrMjDLZROLJriXXjUNgz8X6qNauJdDLSjQ0NRc6EH1bX3j GiUFZ/sS3N1JOkvCY8+C5bG1Z5OYAI4/bDPmO3t8WsZ9dwqJu10Zmyrb1DgQHXUd9GaRsy1q1 p8rLjUQG6a42hIU5k2PN42xzrEHK/Oulpos3dUN8/YXN0svDzGGDv2mpbXMoVc/01gWYSNIEF o2molWszZFneLeVQd5yB6UpuVbhZJfWCr+A2mfEYflTF0swYgGt3RvnvlcOaWeT8GX3w+n+Id a3OnaQP2/9VNK2YhGDcgyxCNs7ISeymIcTYOguSqHtCORsazhZeipVH6m89ETG8iw4m9faC14 MvjuwdKYutAHQ8To9eHSi0JNVR6yEnhcF/d6RbwAoAZcx2yya7hIGGVi16/OYyqsDclTLwl5k GuFgKYzwcYF1go7HNpvERm8uvvwDZgOvpm1SthNw+UXUOEyVPURPDDtiDdpWC7jNkVT4eK2sK i8DdKyu0+icjyMfSlC42OZoHT4TGBU3txQMAYNdM0XmSGNU2wDwS5yoUWo3q5BPSadxW5fsGx t/yLtxse9FONs110880wmJr2am5Iny09DXkObygQL22L9Ljs4Q42rg79hVqKIoxaGKfsC/f2t faTcCuSquCO3GhH6dMC3WwnEc0RQaEVDB4JEC1YalSVDngB1fQLVx376jQbeGtyMwiPpR7Yo9 VvVRWgTVScHXGFtK6uwBgsUEe0F02La/YvJ3XPipqxlTuLsFOhlVlL6W+GjCFTT4mpm2pO3kg AWlnM0Hg9u82QU= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: >> emacs-news is a nice mode, but I found another regression: >> there are different outline header colors between Emacs 28 and 29 >> because of different outline levels. The additional level comes >> from the space character at the end of outline-regexp "^\\*+ ". > > I wanted to avoid having stuff like > > ** New thing for help buffers. > *Help* buffers can be etc... > > triggering an outline thing on the second line. Is there a way to do > that without including the space in outline-regexp? The correct spelling would be --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- "*Help*" buffers can be etc... --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- At least *this* example doesn't hurt. Best regards, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#54993; Package emacs.
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 14:10:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86sfqarzyx.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 18 Apr 2022 22:05:02 +0300") Message-ID: <87o80xb7e5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > emacs-news is a nice mode, but I found another regression: > there are different outline header colors between Emacs 28 and 29 > because of different outline levels. The additional level comes > fro [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > emacs-news is a nice mode, but I found another regression: > there are different outline header colors between Emacs 28 and 29 > because of different outline levels. The additional level comes > from the space character at the end of outline-regexp "^\\*+ ". I wanted to avoid having stuff like ** New thing for help buffers. *Help* buffers can be etc... triggering an outline thing on the second line. Is there a way to do that without including the space in outline-regexp? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#54993; Package emacs.
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Content preview: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes: > It's probably failing for you because you need to do this in the > opposite order (and remove the "-mode"): > > mode: outline; mode: emacs-news > > It's a bit surprising at first, since as humans, w [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes: > It's probably failing for you because you need to do this in the > opposite order (and remove the "-mode"): > > mode: outline; mode: emacs-news > > It's a bit surprising at first, since as humans, we'd probably expect > the "preferred" mode to be first, but the way this works is to > activate outline-mode, and then (try to) activate > emacs-news-mode. That's a little bit inefficient, but since this would > mostly be used in cases where the "preferred" mode is derived from the > "basic" mode, it's probably not too bad. Hm.... I tried that with the NEWS file, and emacs-27.2/emacs-28 indeed used outline mode. But it didn't try to use emacs-news-mode, as far as I can tell, and neither does master. (But we can fix that on master, of course, which might be generally useful anyway. That is, as a way to introduce new modes in a backwards-compatible way in mode: strings.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > Yes. So maybe instead Outline mode in Emacs 29 could turn on > emacs-news-mode automatically when the file's name is NEWS or NEWS.* > or ONEWS. That sounds like a very ugly and unpredictable hack. 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So maybe instead Outline mode in Emacs 29 could turn on > emacs-news-mode automatically when the file's name is NEWS or NEWS.* > or ONEWS. That sounds like a very ugly and unpredictable hack. >> emacs-news-mode is quite major-modeish, though, so I think that would be >> awkward. > > I don't see why. What do you see in emacs-news-mode that doesn't fit > a minor mode? It sets font-lock keywords, for instance. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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I just tried it in 27.2, and it works fine for me. If the "preferred" mode is defined, it uses that. Otherwise, it says "Ignoring unknown mode..." and uses the "basic" mode. > mode: emacs-news; mode: outline-mode It's probably failing for you because you need to do this in the opposite order (and remove the "-mode"): mode: outline; mode: emacs-news It's a bit surprising at first, since as humans, we'd probably expect the "preferred" mode to be first, but the way this works is to activate outline-mode, and then (try to) activate emacs-news-mode. That's a little bit inefficient, but since this would mostly be used in cases where the "preferred" mode is derived from the "basic" mode, it's probably not too bad.
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2022 14:16:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 18 10:16:08 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngSAi-00009f-KA for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:16:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngSAg-00009B-LU for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:16:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngSAa-0002o2-8F; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:16:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Qc0teiTH/IpzJGG/hu86KYK4dp/0PzHnTHSpslQxrDU=; b=AP7uJFBus3js mC2DlQQj+Dd3PP/Ro4utbrfcHLT7NGR38iNK89ln64b8Q7RB55Orzq54xEhDHhLOID2K2ELEI6wpP Lh3yght3rYGJLtambEaZGWysP20Eq1ALIJKEkACua8110i5wuEUtpdDu9sRIIdJ/Auc/DEy81DIn/ eaKibasul9FTEFdBs6ZpGUikxA7KPLjs13T6x44G2inEsk/Pn9k8YOebtjwGH4h3sfRGReczcdB1A /6NBdauiXudQUj7XHnW0av0AD7MTEyefFw1a6i7J3aZq2qUfpmV7oT7haStUR52jjzKTbk8h8utVe Xc554NoeY6W3WgrHN2782g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2179 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngSAU-0007PB-Tg; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:15:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 17:15:42 +0300 Message-Id: <835yn6wk8h.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87tuaqir1c.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:12:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtgj7dxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <8335iby288.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6cj7d75.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v8v7wmgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rs2dbtn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee1uwxl5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8v6bt5v.fsf@HIDDEN> <837d7mwtzj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tuaqir1c.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: michael.albinus@HIDDEN, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:12:31 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > We could add NEWS to auto-mode-alist instead, and that would solve the > > issue cleanly for everyone. That was one of the original > > alternatives, but somehow it was forgotten now. > > My worry with that was that adding etc/NEWS to auto-mode-alist would be > false positives (for other files with that name). But I guess we could > check that it's actually an Emacs NEWS file before enabling the mode. I looked at several NEWS files in various projects, and they look well under outline mode. Which doesn't really surprise me, since NEWS is AFAIR a GNU thing. > But that would mean removing the mode: setting from NEWS itself, because > mode: takes precedence over auto-mode-alist, I think? Yes. > So then we're back to people editing the file in Emacs 28 in > fundamental-mode. Yes. So maybe instead Outline mode in Emacs 29 could turn on emacs-news-mode automatically when the file's name is NEWS or NEWS.* or ONEWS. > > Btw, another issue with emacs-news-mode is that it invokes > > outline-minor-mode, which means all the headings-related commands are > > now bound to different keys than they were before. Wouldn't it be > > better if emacs-news-mode were a minor mode invoked by Outline > > instead? > > emacs-news-mode is quite major-modeish, though, so I think that would be > awkward. I don't see why. What do you see in emacs-news-mode that doesn't fit a minor mode? I guess my point is that making it a major mode makes this a backward-incompatible change, when we consider editing of NEWS. If we can avoid that, it would be better. Or maybe it's enough to make it be derived from Outline (if that doesn't interfere with editing NEWS with older Emacsen)?
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Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > We could add NEWS to auto-mode-alist instead, and that would solve the > issue cleanly for everyone. That was one of the original > alternatives, but somehow it was forgotten now. My worry with that was that adding etc/NEWS to auto-mode-alist would be false positives (for other files with that name). But I guess we could check that it's actually an Emacs NEWS file before enabling the mode. But that would mean removing the mode: setting from NEWS itself, because mode: takes precedence over auto-mode-alist, I think? (But I may well be misremembering.) So then we're back to people editing the file in Emacs 28 in fundamental-mode. > Btw, another issue with emacs-news-mode is that it invokes > outline-minor-mode, which means all the headings-related commands are > now bound to different keys than they were before. Wouldn't it be > better if emacs-news-mode were a minor mode invoked by Outline > instead? emacs-news-mode is quite major-modeish, though, so I think that would be awkward. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2022 10:45:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 18 06:45:34 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngOsw-00027g-4d for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:45:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38124) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngOsu-00027U-NM for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:45:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41540) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngOsp-0001yu-4F; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:45:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ybfJB3NSQqnnhjoXzvN1P964bzeadt7tbiZ/FZQOli8=; b=b3YV3ZDr0RuU I9Glx7mPJi7wC+vNb6fnffuuhHUNcmOTyBPcmifsMEkdxy8xkMY2IS+Sk806AqLtQ5wqT2du6GHK5 QUe4pYvNX0S7T1PnDP7pfBACvlGUKvYP9P1tyMru/MwDp2L8fKifV1o8eLwxF/k65NqRosh3uszAE O5wcJEFU5A78DbQnknJsTgLm1w/U2hDOc5TeQe3Da4z/yUYvuywrTFveRIQEwRETh4aBBVzqhHnoT CSy0Vn68CeOlj7z3Uy6l+vMXz6clFUvF2KyeVcQD2Q0NpVrohuklVGNW152F5XBfYiGLhkzd8Pnym l+EE/jerT/HN42TfyNBHPQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1036 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ngOsf-0005vZ-63; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:45:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:45:04 +0300 Message-Id: <837d7mwtzj.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87v8v6bt5v.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:08:28 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtgj7dxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <8335iby288.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6cj7d75.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v8v7wmgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rs2dbtn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee1uwxl5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v8v6bt5v.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> > Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:08:28 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> FTR, I find the new emacs-news-mode very convenient. Hiding it in > >> private customizations would remove its convenience. > > > > ??? How's that? You make that customization once, and then get to > > enjoy the convenience happily ever after. What am I missing? > > > > The customization I had in mind is to tell Emacs to turn on > > emacs-news-mode when you visit a file called "NEWS". > > Midterm, I have the hope to extend emacs-news-mode for some checks when > adding something to etc/NEWS. Something like checking proper quotation > etc. > > However, this works only when this mode is enabled. If we need to tell > every occasional contributor to enable this mode, it would be less useful. We could add NEWS to auto-mode-alist instead, and that would solve the issue cleanly for everyone. That was one of the original alternatives, but somehow it was forgotten now. Btw, another issue with emacs-news-mode is that it invokes outline-minor-mode, which means all the headings-related commands are now bound to different keys than they were before. Wouldn't it be better if emacs-news-mode were a minor mode invoked by Outline instead?
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Full text available.Received: (at 54993) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Apr 2022 10:08:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 18 06:08:39 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38103 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ngOJD-0000jS-8o for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:08:39 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:51371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>) id 1ngOJA-0000jE-EZ for 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:08:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1650276510; bh=ltR13wdI8MT4j6gRNqVVo0lRdFRdCQtizH8zQ/Gimrc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Ztc4OVC8DPRORgtqQAyHC98Dzm3qqqQ2803akIZojER9qoE7QkmSBm6EdDsSRVcTH B2Pkfgp2lu3AGvuEX/NNLnXdDhE5QuxtlN0fsDWv2rvthNJNJWWzdnFgqHSZMB4HA4 9yoCdf1fv5+5uVPvDL/F5z72B06RHM+/byjfRtyc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.156.67]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N95eJ-1o1j7B0Txv-016Bi0; Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:08:30 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#54993: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error References: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtgj7dxa.fsf@HIDDEN> <8335iby288.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a6cj7d75.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v8v7wmgh.fsf@HIDDEN> <878rs2dbtn.fsf@HIDDEN> <83ee1uwxl5.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:08:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83ee1uwxl5.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:27:18 +0300") Message-ID: <87v8v6bt5v.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1bzxV9mXh9YkKMQcmNnVLXdIR73gzGb184DjJ0QVBHBJD3VYt7u mB+1mxhTdAKaT3JPNSUR6Ovg8WmTL6GyB0mHVw2pRzXNc7rHwQjO1Pfp0AxPNGBMFaZ6OQ2 wL+X9H8qXE/o9xUypjct+N9zR5DLODNcA/JJmMPV4DXdhjxbqEtIBUZHwAL2yBNtc42CxhR +JIr4fryeAHydotX+2WiA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yEpEgESnxRY=:2lK6AUaRBtPa7ta8oxfzoi fzloHYhJemdDGSS9YQ96BsFT38abFTjcJCR3npi0sIR5npqvPjJitOH8ket9EnVoN9fBkJsOk Ov7JJqJov0I1OZBY8zL7270u6FcpDc2ZvQPn4tGgQdQdkNx2L4KoKh+KdO5BIs495b4yZtahI QEZCGs0/0Khz+pedsxMK0Laj5rc06R5tr2tlB+BlwK7rfuyCX3V8fhTwKH6uHG3uv3UfUklYn ZVp0rbODc8U/uvBYJCWqSrbD/sih+FMWXF/1Tn7qnX4Ulmf1k2WAg83J98HL8jD4eWTGCB4Cc MR93rdfIuj0FndgRG9rRyK46lux7y3N+OEg4YF2f54ckxRZBL+GYQVfb6V3BgxhkbymvaPvhF NrYaJaHlxCTLfLLEuFNZeDrfmpm/PcLPmmTntPC4LgiBfKo+qkajuGB7URTBS8cyTsFUU5odP xEiFjHLzBz/0fEU+5K6x2xx+E7HmcAKNdqW0yeIACTkOY9DYq3ZTo2X5aZvmY9HnxCJhQ+6BT POevYKhJKDI93B2qdhlsq9QHnPDO+8QcJeQdglVcMCJXtu9j4nvCdBGS0QzsLI1+ec3biCNTU OGEtkjHDBJD/EBoqQv2FsJ53T8PIumHnjqH6ZAsfI7Dl2XPMm7xy2EMf3mWV+dHZKkpr39Ukf AnL08Xuk4S5igF1Y9on3i4IHHJNVTy+vkBhVDZ3L0RL4Mi2qje60/ZGaAx+rOJPBpXo338odI 64Y37gBqCBHh/RVpzc9mPaEixUUo4p/Btt9q8f1jh+Uzv9/Z9VWfsWR5dakTDsFbwYU5ucjUu PC2319nc7JtQAZ9K0iGjpD4zRFxuO5TSfSo254FS4GGj4P5Z3tNK+i/0S94/OHNxidIilMbks mgZ8Sjc2QMFTwU/0wAAPdr2Vw5kqawtIhlrWSq7BRc0iSku3TBpjJVaq6rsrgw0WuXrTHB1Er iRv/+a4OR4i4jVo+lNx7i/CkSDz9x/uXMcLoxORgydWhIJOt5vi+e+JWjc7PJ0xI67Z8Z9VBc v3dUw2DjUzVFotKHxXXbu5dBcyq9S1aZ0iwWf/5Aj0lYi6tCT8/56ZNVXpabD54fCqm8y1jH1 pDbypKPLRsItiQ= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 54993 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, 54993 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: Hi Eli, >> FTR, I find the new emacs-news-mode very convenient. Hiding it in >> private customizations would remove its convenience. > > ??? How's that? You make that customization once, and then get to > enjoy the convenience happily ever after. What am I missing? > > The customization I had in mind is to tell Emacs to turn on > emacs-news-mode when you visit a file called "NEWS". Midterm, I have the hope to extend emacs-news-mode for some checks when adding something to etc/NEWS. Something like checking proper quotation etc. However, this works only when this mode is enabled. If we need to tell every occasional contributor to enable this mode, it would be less useful. Best regards, Michael.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#54993; Package emacs.
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I think? > > No, it doesn't (surprisingly). Perhaps, because fboundp is regarded as > safe, and defalias isn't (just a guess). I stay corrected. It prompts when I start "emacs -Q". Somewhere in my config I must have allowed the eval. Best regards, Michael.
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FTR, I find the new emacs-news-mode very convenient. Hiding it in private customizations would remove its convenience. What about =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Local variables: coding: utf-8 eval: (or (fboundp 'emacs-news-mode) (defalias 'emacs-news-mode 'outline-m= ode)) mode: emacs-news paragraph-separate: "[ =0C]*$" end: =2D-8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- It requires you to confirm the eval form, but this is the price when you edit etc/NEWS from master with an older Emacs version. Best regards, Michael.
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Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
> # -*- mode: FOO; mode: BAR -*-
>
> This way, it would try to load FOO-mode and then BAR-mode in order,
> and so I could set up the mode for files to ensure that users with
> BAR-mode available can use that, but it falls back to FOO-mode
> otherwise. Unfortunately, in Emacs 28.1, this now fails with:
>
> File local-variables error: (error Lisp nesting exceeds
> =E2=80=98max-lisp-eval-depth=E2=80=99)
Yes, there's something weird going on with the mode: spec. With the
following, and Emacs 28.1 (and NEWS from 29), it infloops.
(unless (fboundp 'emacs-news-mode)
(defun emacs-news-mode ()
(outline-mode)))
Like this:
emacs-news-mode()
hack-one-local-variable(mode emacs-news)
hack-local-variables-apply()
hack-local-variables(no-mode)
run-mode-hooks(outline-mode-hook)
outline-mode()
emacs-news-mode()
hack-one-local-variable(mode emacs-news)
hack-local-variables-apply()
hack-local-variables(no-mode)
run-mode-hooks(outline-mode-hook)
outline-mode()
emacs-news-mode()
set-auto-mode-0(emacs-news-mode nil)
set-auto-mode()
normal-mode(t)
after-find-file(nil t)
The mode: parsing stuff was largely redone for Emacs 28.1, and
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This doesn't seem to work in Emacs 28.1 anymore, but at least on 27.2, I used the following strategy: # -*- mode: FOO; mode: BAR -*- This way, it would try to load FOO-mode and then BAR-mode in order, and so I could set up the mode for files to ensure that users with BAR-mode available can use that, but it falls back to FOO-mode otherwise. Unfortunately, in Emacs 28.1, this now fails with: File local-variables error: (error Lisp nesting exceeds ‘max-lisp-eval-depth’) Maybe the strategy I was using is just an abuse of file-local variables, but I think it's a convenient way to do things like this, and would nicely solve this issue too. (If you prefer, I could file a separate bug for the regression with file-local variable handling.)
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> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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> >> What's your suggestion for how this should work, then? etc/NEWS in
> >> auto-mode-alist?
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> > Either that, or private customizations.
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> Sure, it might make sense for people that use Emacs 28 to edit NEWS in
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That's not what I meant, and you know it.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> What's your suggestion for how this should work, then? etc/NEWS in
>> auto-mode-alist?
>
> Either that, or private customizations.
Sure, it might make sense for people that use Emacs 28 to edit NEWS in
Emacs 29 to use something like the following customisation:
(unless (fboundp 'emacs-news-mode)
(defun emacs-news-mode ()
(let ((inhibit-local-variables-regexps '(".*")))
(outline-mode))))
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#54993; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Apr 2022 17:45:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 17 13:45:01 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37089 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ng8xI-00075M-Sq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:45:01 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43326) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ng8xG-00075E-Pz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:44:59 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48500) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ng8xG-00019F-HS for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:44:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ng8xG-0003PG-5h for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:44:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Subject:To:From:Date:mime-version:in-reply-to: references; bh=g5zdCUQe79wb8Az25oIwe0aE5WQHcaVOmpNnu3WoisI=; b=pEPLsd7FqjDqRt ySGmLHUkA3s6BdKbhPIC/N7V3T+VjP4bCSg2fiYy8z/q8FUM62owIgAbt1+APK5m/ftp46pS8p8B0 EU+bex/9bRwj/WMw5YtatLEkc6p8BnbuSdmOLrk7PbcFMxr3kyCZptR9SYaiFRyMkaLwb11K1ye0+ 4kAOTrH3H7L9sv9UeCsfSz7CKcsRIBjWjiwM49tzX49JZPsdzo6KEvewWRao+92yFyKp3964aQQD1 wwWzCZRtVQj2VXlTD/OB5oreIBrLsBSz25zpTvA+lMzz8KmAFTftmovota47uzBIO/44tvTCiWbss gFoUgqAa5cZuUdO7fcKg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4592 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ng8xF-00070Q-Kc for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:44:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:44:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83czhfy583.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 28.1; Editing etc/NEWS on master with Emacs 28 signals an error X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) emacs -Q C-x C-f etc/NEWS RET Observe an error message: File local-variables error: (void-function emacs-news-mode) and NEWS is visited in Fundamental mode, which makes it annoyingly inconvenient to edit the news entries. I think a new mode that is only available in the development version should not be forced on all the developers, because not all of them use the latest-and-the-greatest code all the time while working on Emacs. Please make it possible to edit NEWS conveniently with older versions of Emacs. In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 2, i686-pc-mingw32) of 2022-04-03 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600) Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int --with-native-compilation 'CFLAGS=-O2 -gdwarf-4 -g3'' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1255 Major mode: Mail Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t flyspell-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t save-place-mode: t display-battery-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t temp-buffer-resize-mode: t line-number-mode: t auto-fill-function: mail-mode-auto-fill indent-tabs-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Load-path shadows: d:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/soap-client hides d:/usr/share/emacs/28.1/lisp/net/soap-client Features: (shadow emacsbug quail lao-util enriched smerge-mode diff calc-ext calc calc-loaddefs rect calc-macs arc-mode archive-mode thai-util thai-word pcase descr-text rng-xsd xsd-regexp rng-cmpct rng-nxml rng-valid rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse nxml-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn nxml-ns nxml-mode nxml-outln nxml-rap sgml-mode nxml-util nxml-enc xmltok ede/speedbar ede/files ede ede/detect ede/base ede/auto ede/source eieio-base eieio-speedbar eieio-custom cedet edebug backtrace gud completion find-cmd grep find-dired skeleton tabify autoconf autoconf-mode ffap ebuff-menu compile pulse etags fileloop generator vc-mtn vc-hg vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn cl-print thingatpt eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe find-func shortdoc help-fns radix-tree sh-script smie executable texinfo texinfo-loaddefs novice misearch multi-isearch dabbrev shr-color color rmailout shell pcomplete comint ansi-color rfc2104 gnutls network-stream nsm mail-extr smtpmail mailalias sendmail cc-awk jka-compr bat-mode dired-aux vc-bzr generic noutline outline make-mode vc-cvs vc-rcs conf-mode vc bug-reference add-log mule-util info vc-git diff-mode easy-mmode vc-dispatcher flyspell rmailsum shr kinsoku svg dom browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util url-parse url-vars mailcap qp rmailmm message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source eieio eieio-core eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils desktop frameset server find-lisp dired dired-loaddefs filecache mairix cus-edit pp cus-load wid-edit saveplace midnight facemenu ispell derived generic-x cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs xref project ring format-spec battery dbus xml time comp comp-cstr warnings subr-x rx cl-seq cl-macs cl-extra help-mode seq byte-opt gv cl-loaddefs cl-lib bytecomp byte-compile cconv iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 3198865 323401) (symbols 48 43159 3) (strings 16 264038 30739) (string-bytes 1 8154768) (vectors 16 98734) (vector-slots 8 2868549 238198) (floats 8 365 538) (intervals 40 589593 24500) (buffers 888 317))
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