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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > IIUC this mostly means that all the Gtk/Lucid/X11-specific > functions&variables exported to ELisp will need to be exported in all > the builds (probably with dummy definitions). 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I think that's an interesting idea. Currently, there's this odd difference between C- and Lisp-defined functions/variables, where Lisp-defined ones are always available, even if the Emacs build doesn't support the feature, and the C ones aren't. So it makes sense conceptually to move the DEFUN/DEFVARs outside the #ifdefs (but stub out the innards). However, I think that'll lead to a lot of regressions in code out there -- it's super common (and recommended practice) to check whether a C level function is fboundp as a signal that it works, and making these functions always available would break that. So I don't think this is a feasible direction to go in.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes: > IIUC this mostly means that all the Gtk/Lucid/X11-specific > functions&variables exported to ELisp will need to be exported in all > the builds (probably with dummy definitions). 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I think that's an interesting idea. Currently, there's this odd difference between C- and Lisp-defined functions/variables, where Lisp-defined ones are always available, even if the Emacs build doesn't support the feature, and the C ones aren't. So it makes sense conceptually to move the DEFUN/DEFVARs outside the #ifdefs (but stub out the innards). However, I think that'll lead to a lot of regressions in code out there -- it's super common (and recommended practice) to check whether a C level function is fboundp as a signal that it works, and making these functions always available would break that. So I don't think this is a feasible direction to go in.
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Full text available.Received: (at 56743) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Jul 2022 19:57:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 25 15:57:56 2022 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51507 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1oG4DD-0002H6-Ky for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:57:55 -0400 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:64338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1oG4D8-0002Go-Gk for 56743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:57:54 -0400 Received: from ma.sdf.org (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 26PJvlKK025347 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 25 Jul 2022 19:57:47 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#56743: 29.0.50; Sharing .eln files beween different builds References: <jwvczdutsdd.fsf@HIDDEN> <83czdufpn6.fsf@HIDDEN> <jwvilnmxv17.fsf-monnier+emacs@HIDDEN> <834jz5fo4e.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2022 19:57:48 +0000 In-Reply-To: <834jz5fo4e.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 25 Jul 2022 14:06:09 +0300") Message-ID: <xjfwnc1kls3.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 56743 Cc: 56743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> >> Cc: 56743 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 13:49:42 -0400 >> >> >> It would be good to try and make sure the `.eln` files can be shared >> >> between different builds of the release tarballs (ie. the exact same >> >> source code, just configured differently). This would be beneficial for >> >> example for distributions like Debian which offer `emacs-nox`, >> >> `emacs-gtk`, and emacs-lucid` variants, which could then share the >> >> `.eln` files. >> > >> > You want to remove the dependence of .eln files on the primitives that >> > are implemented in C? >> >> No, just make sure the hash used to find the `.eln` doesn't depend >> whether the build is made with Lucid or Gtk or something else. > > AFAIU, if the set of the primitives is identical in the builds, the > *.eln files should be compatible. But I think there are primitives in > some of these builds that don't exist in others; thus my question. That's correct. IIUC this is what Stefan meant as well. >> IIUC this mostly means that all the Gtk/Lucid/X11-specific >> functions&variables exported to ELisp will need to be exported in all >> the builds (probably with dummy definitions). > > Even if this makes sense (and I'm not sure it does), this is a lot of > work for very little gain. Other than the work to go there the maintenance might not be trivial, and elns most likely would be still not compatible between Emacs versions. That said I can't comment on the trade off. Andrea
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>> It would be good to try and make sure the `.eln` files can be shared
>> between different builds of the release tarballs (ie. the exact same
>> source code, just configured differently). This would be beneficial for
>> example for distributions like Debian which offer `emacs-nox`,
>> `emacs-gtk`, and emacs-lucid` variants, which could then share the
>> `.eln` files.
>
> You want to remove the dependence of .eln files on the primitives that
> are implemented in C?
No, just make sure the hash used to find the `.eln` doesn't depend
whether the build is made with Lucid or Gtk or something else.
IIUC this mostly means that all the Gtk/Lucid/X11-specific
functions&variables exported to ELisp will need to be exported in all
the builds (probably with dummy definitions).
Stefan
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Package: Emacs
Version: 29.0.50
It would be good to try and make sure the `.eln` files can be shared
between different builds of the release tarballs (ie. the exact same
source code, just configured differently). This would be beneficial for
example for distributions like Debian which offer `emacs-nox`,
`emacs-gtk`, and emacs-lucid` variants, which could then share the
`.eln` files.
Obviously, we can't share them between all the different combinations of
build options (e.g. `wide-int` and `non-wide-int`) but it shouldn't be
too hard to make sure they can be shared for many/most other choices, IIUC.
Stefan
Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Full text available.bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#56743; Package emacs.
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