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Subject: bug#57395: 28.1; tramp-allow-unsafe-temporary-files assumes root:root rw-r--r-- files are secret and assumes temporary-directory is public
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I do something like this, a lot:

    emacs -nw -Q /ssh:root@HIDDEN:/etc/hosts

After upgrading from Emacs 27.1 to 28.1, the first time I open that file, it says

    Autosave file on local temporary directory, do you want to continue?(yes or no)

If I say "no" then try to open the file again twice more,
it prints a warning, then CONTINUES TO OPEN THE FILE ANYWAY, in fundamental-mode.

It looks like Emacs 28's tramp is concerned about an attack like this:

   1. I open /ssh:example.com:/etc/shadow
   2. I make a change but don't hit C-x C-s right away
   3. auto-save creates a WORLD-READABLE backup in local /tmp
   4. oops, now attackers on the local system can read the passwords from /tmp/shadow.XXXXXX!

Initially I thought: OK, it's reasonable to distrust /tmp.
Let's aim Emacs at a PrivateTmp=yes.
That's the modern sensible thing.
I'm not actually using /usr/lib/systemd/user/emacs.service here,
so we'll do it by setting $TMPDIR.

    TMPDIR="$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/tmp" emacs -nw -Q /ssh:root@HIDDEN:/etc/hosts
    --error--> Setting current directory No such file or directory /run/user/1000/tmp/

OK fine I'll manually create it before Emacs starts.

    install -dm0700 "$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/tmp"
    TMPDIR="$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/tmp" emacs -nw -Q /ssh:root@HIDDEN:/etc/hosts
    --warning--> Autosave file on local temporary directory, do you want to continue?(yes or no)

Here is the relevant code from tramp.el:

        ;; Protect against security hole.
	(when (and (not tramp-allow-unsafe-temporary-files)
		   (not backup-inhibited)
		   (file-in-directory-p (car result) temporary-file-directory)
		   (zerop (or (tramp-compat-file-attribute-user-id
			       (file-attributes filename 'integer))
			      tramp-unknown-id-integer))
		   (not (with-tramp-connection-property
			    (tramp-get-process v) "unsafe-temporary-file"
			  (yes-or-no-p
			   (concat
			    "Backup file on local temporary directory, "
			    "do you want to continue?")))))
	  (tramp-error v 'file-error "Unsafe backup file name"))))))

There are several problems here.

   1. if you say "no" to the security prompt,
      the file buffer is actually open.
      It just remains in fundamental mode, and
      is not made the current buffer.

      You can select it without another warning with C-x C-f or C-x b.

   2. tramp wrongly assumes every root-owned file is secret.
      This is silly for files like

          -rwxr-xr-x root root /usr/bin/zgrep

      On a minimal Debian system, there are a LOT of such files (imperfect query):

        $ mmdebstrap --quiet sid /dev/null --customize-hook='runuser -u nobody -- find $1 -xdev -type f -uid 0 -readable 2>/dev/null | wc -l'
        7947

      Compare that to the tiny list of true positives (imperfect query):

        $ mmdebstrap --quiet sid /dev/null --customize-hook='runuser -u nobody -- find $1 -xdev -type f -uid 0 -not -readable 2>/dev/null | wc -l'
        14

        $ mmdebstrap --quiet sid /dev/null --customize-hook='runuser -u nobody -- find $1 -xdev -type f -uid 0 -not -readable 2>/dev/null -ls'
         -rw-r----- root adm     /var/log/apt/term.log
         -rw-rw---- root utmp    /var/log/btmp
         -rw------- root root    /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/Lock
         -rw-r----- root root    /var/lib/dpkg/lock
         -rw-r----- root root    /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
         -rw-r----- root root    /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
         -rw------- root root    /var/cache/debconf/passwords.dat
         -rw-r----- root root    /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
         -rw-r----- root shadow  /etc/gshadow
         -rw-r----- root shadow  /etc/shadow
         -rw-r----- root shadow  /etc/gshadow-
         -rw-r----- root shadow  /etc/shadow-
         -rw------- root root    /etc/.pwd.lock
         -rw------- root root    /etc/security/opasswd

   3. tramp assumes non-root-owned files are NOT secret, i.e.
      lulls users into a false sense of protection.
      For example, this is probably secret:

          -r--rw---- nginx adm /etc/nginx/htaccess

      Just out of curiosity, are there any false negatives on a minimal Debian system?

        $ mmdebstrap --quiet sid /dev/null --customize-hook='runuser -u nobody -- find $1 -xdev -type f -not -uid 0 -not -readable 2>/dev/null -ls'
        [nothing except /dev/console which is due to an unrelated bug in GNU find]

   4. tramp wrongly assumes temporary-file-directory is public.
      This is true for /tmp but not for $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.

          drwx------ 17 twb  twb   560 2022-08-25 12:08 /run/user/1000
          drwxrwxrwt 34 root root 1120 2022-08-25 12:03 /tmp

      It is also not true if you do this (not fully tested):

          $ systemctl edit --user emacs.service
          $ systemctl cat --user emacs.service
          # /home/twb/Preferences/.config/systemd/user/emacs.service.d/override.conf
          [Service]
          PrivateTmp=yes
          $ systemctl enable --now --user emacs.service


I think the current large number of false-positives (#2, #4) and
mean that this security check is currently harmful.

Quacking/googling suggests everyone else who runs into this prompt, simply turns it off.
Rather than disabling it per-user, I'd rather we improve it.
Or, decide it's too hard to improve, and remove it entirely (thereby reducing maintenance burden).


In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.24, cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2022-08-24, modified by Debian built on hera
Repository revision: d23e4226f712f01bfd3c5eb50a136c3f055d486e
Repository branch: twb
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"Trent W. Buck" <trentbuck@HIDDEN> writes:

[...]

> It looks like Emacs 28's tramp is concerned about an attack like this:
>
>    1. I open /ssh:example.com:/etc/shadow
>    2. I make a change but don't hit C-x C-s right away
>    3. auto-save creates a WORLD-READABLE backup in local /tmp
>    4. oops, now attackers on the local system can read the passwords
>    from /tmp/shadow.XXXXXX!

FWIW, I tested this on the upcoming Emacs 29 and it is not the case
anymore.  If the remote file is owned by root and mode 0600, the
corresponding auto-save file will be owned by the user and also mode
0600 (not world-readable).  I think it makes sense since said user was
granted access to this file.

[...]

> There are several problems here.
>
>    1. if you say "no" to the security prompt,
>       the file buffer is actually open.
>       It just remains in fundamental mode, and
>       is not made the current buffer.
>
>       You can select it without another warning with C-x C-f or C-x b.

This is still true in Emacs 29 and a problem as a "no" should not open
the file.

>    2. tramp wrongly assumes every root-owned file is secret.
>       This is silly for files like

[...]

>    3. tramp assumes non-root-owned files are NOT secret, i.e.
>       lulls users into a false sense of protection.

[...]

>    4. tramp wrongly assumes temporary-file-directory is public.
>       This is true for /tmp but not for $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR.

[...]

Those three points are also still true in Emacs 29.  I think we need a
more fine grained method to tell if a file is "dangerous" and if
'temporary-file-directory' is safe enough.

> I think the current large number of false-positives (#2, #4) and
> mean that this security check is currently harmful.
>
> Quacking/googling suggests everyone else who runs into this prompt, simply turns it off.
> Rather than disabling it per-user, I'd rather we improve it.
> Or, decide it's too hard to improve, and remove it entirely (thereby
> reducing maintenance burden).

I think it is better to improve than to remove those checks.
-- 
Manuel Giraud

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