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Hi,

Now we have kubernetes integrated in Tramp. We can access pods like
"/kubernetes:POD:/path/to/file".

However, kubernetes can much more. For all services (like pods) it
creates DNS entries "<service-name>.<namespace-name>.svc.cluster.local".
Should'nt we support this? It means should we allow to access kubernetes
pods like "/kubernetes:POD.NAMESPACE:/path/to/file", including
completion for namespace names?

Best regards, Michael.


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Hi,

My motivation behind adding limited k8s support to Tramp was to be able
to login into pod.  A service is a more high-level abstraction, you
cannot log into service, as there're some particular pods behind it.
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current namespace is ok.  We could add more scenarios when the need
arises.

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Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi,

Hi Filipp,

> My motivation behind adding limited k8s support to Tramp was to be able
> to login into pod.  A service is a more high-level abstraction, you
> cannot log into service, as there're some particular pods behind it.
> From my limited knowledge and experience of k8s, listing pods in the
> current namespace is ok.  We could add more scenarios when the need
> arises.

I don't speak about services in general. I speak about pods.

Imagine, you have "pod1" in your current context, and "pod2" in another
namespace, call it "another-namespace".

"kubectl get pods" shows you "pod1". "kubectl get pods --namespace
another-namespace" shows you "pod2".

"kubectl exec pod1 -it -- /bin/sh" access pod1 in your current
context. This is what we use when we access via remote file name syntax
"/kubernetes:pod1:".

pod2 is not accessible in your current context. But you could apply
"kubectl exec pod2 -it --namespace another-namespace -- /bin/sh". This
is what I mean with remote-file name syntax "/kubernetes:pod1.another-namespace:".

Is this possible?

> Filipp

Best regards, Michael.




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Hi Michael,

On 05/12/2022 16:54 +0100, Michael Albinus wrote:

>> My motivation behind adding limited k8s support to Tramp was to be able
>> to login into pod.  A service is a more high-level abstraction, you
>> cannot log into service, as there're some particular pods behind it.
>> From my limited knowledge and experience of k8s, listing pods in the
>> current namespace is ok.  We could add more scenarios when the need
>> arises.
>
> I don't speak about services in general. I speak about pods.
>
> Imagine, you have "pod1" in your current context, and "pod2" in another
> namespace, call it "another-namespace".
>
> "kubectl get pods" shows you "pod1". "kubectl get pods --namespace
> another-namespace" shows you "pod2".
>
> "kubectl exec pod1 -it -- /bin/sh" access pod1 in your current
> context. This is what we use when we access via remote file name syntax
> "/kubernetes:pod1:".
>
> pod2 is not accessible in your current context. But you could apply
> "kubectl exec pod2 -it --namespace another-namespace -- /bin/sh". This
> is what I mean with remote-file name syntax "/kubernetes:pod1.another-namespace:".
>
> Is this possible?

Maybe, and there's "get pods -A" which lists all pods.  This will be
limited to current "context" in k8s meaning (covering all namespaces in
it).  I could look into this in detail in few weeks, if you'd like me
to.  It's quite a busy time at work now :-)

Filipp




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Filipp Gunbin <fgunbin@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi Michael,

Hi Filipp,

>> Is this possible?
>
> Maybe, and there's "get pods -A" which lists all pods.  This will be
> limited to current "context" in k8s meaning (covering all namespaces in
> it).  I could look into this in detail in few weeks, if you'd like me
> to.  It's quite a busy time at work now :-)

Take your time. Emacs 29.1 is on its release path, so any feature change
won't be pushed there. We could plan it for Emacs 29.2.

> Filipp

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi,

>> Maybe, and there's "get pods -A" which lists all pods.  This will be
>> limited to current "context" in k8s meaning (covering all namespaces in
>> it).  I could look into this in detail in few weeks, if you'd like me
>> to.  It's quite a busy time at work now :-)
>
> Take your time. Emacs 29.1 is on its release path, so any feature change
> won't be pushed there. We could plan it for Emacs 29.2.

Finally, I've taken the stab and implemented something along these
lines. It is a little bit different from earlier proposals.

- You can now specify a container in the host name, dotted notation.
  "/kubernetes:container.pod:" accesses the given container. If it is
  not specified, as in "/kubernetes:pod:", the first container is taken.

- You can now specify different context and namespace. Change the new
  user options tramp-kubernetes-context or tramp-kubernetes-namespace
  for this effect.

Everything pushed to the Emacs and Tramp master repositories. The target
is now Tramp 2.7 / Emacs 30. Comments welcome :-)

Best regards, Michael.




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Hi,

Now we have kubernetes integrated in Tramp. We can access pods like
"/kubernetes:POD:/path/to/file".

However, kubernetes can much more. For all services (like pods) it
creates DNS entries "<service-name>.<namespace-name>.svc.cluster.local".
Should'nt we support this? It means should we allow to access kubernetes
pods like "/kubernetes:POD.NAMESPACE:/path/to/file", including
completion for namespace names?

Best regards, Michael.


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No further comments, so I'm closing the bug.

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Hi,

Now we have kubernetes integrated in Tramp. We can access pods like
"/kubernetes:POD:/path/to/file".

However, kubernetes can much more. For all services (like pods) it
creates DNS entries "<service-name>.<namespace-name>.svc.cluster.local".
Should'nt we support this? It means should we allow to access kubernetes
pods like "/kubernetes:POD.NAMESPACE:/path/to/file", including
completion for namespace names?

Best regards, Michael.


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Eshel Yaron <me@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi Michael,

Hi Eshel,

> Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Now we have kubernetes integrated in Tramp. We can access pods like
>> "/kubernetes:POD:/path/to/file".
>>
>> However, kubernetes can much more. For all services (like pods) it
>> creates DNS entries "<service-name>.<namespace-name>.svc.cluster.local"=
.
>> Should'nt we support this? It means should we allow to access kubernete=
s
>> pods like "/kubernetes:POD.NAMESPACE:/path/to/file", including
>> completion for namespace names?
>
> [...]
>
>> Finally, I've taken the stab and implemented something along these
>> lines. It is a little bit different from earlier proposals.
>>
>> - You can now specify a container in the host name, dotted notation.
>>   "/kubernetes:container.pod:" accesses the given container. If it is
>>   not specified, as in "/kubernetes:pod:", the first container is taken=
.
>>
>> - You can now specify different context and namespace. Change the new
>>   user options tramp-kubernetes-context or tramp-kubernetes-namespace
>>   for this effect.
>>
>> Everything pushed to the Emacs and Tramp master repositories. The targe=
t
>> is now Tramp 2.7 / Emacs 30. Comments welcome :-)
>
> Sorry for not chiming in when this discussion was still ongoing, and
> thank you for your work on the Kubernetes integration.  I use it a lot.
>
> Would it be possible the reconsider adding an optional namespace to
> Tramp's Kubernetes file name syntax?  I'm thinking of something like
> "/kubernetes:[CONTAINER.]POD[.NAMESPACE]:/...".

Possible. However, the syntax is ambiguous. If we have "/kubernetes:name1.=
name2:/..."
it isn't clear what they are. name1 could be a container, and name2 a pod.=
 Or
name1 is a pod, and name2 is a namespace. Could we agree on another
delimiter between POD and NAMESPACE?

> My use case is that I want to start Dired for a (container in a) pod in
> another namespace.  I can almost get there if I temporarily bind
> tramp-kubernetes-namespace around the call to dired, but the binding
> doesn't carry on to subsequent operations in the Dired buffer.  So an
> explicit namespace in default-directory could help, I think.

I see, it makes sense. My practical kubernetes experience is sparse; I
would exploit you while implementing. At least for tests.

Note also, that Emacs 30 is in pretest. Any such feature change will be
targeted to Emacs 31 / Tramp 2.8.

> Best,
>
> Eshel

Best regards, Michael.





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