Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 08:10:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 04:10:31 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi9qB-0005gU-Dp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:10:31 -0400 Received: from forward502b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.146]:48694) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1pi9q8-0005gK-MB for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:10:30 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-57.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-57.myt.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c12:2fa6:0:640:9857:0]) by forward502b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 7DB8F5EE13; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:10:26 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-57.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id PAFhswADZOs0-oMm3Hkdg; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:10:26 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1680250226; bh=t164H+Epjz01vdRCUN3SHdgVYh3S1JL9ONBb1cZa6dk=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=u6b2PHOMNKwpw2I+hU0TyWJsjyIPVdHLYi/fiAIynpq6EZiygDwfqacUE0NRxwVDD 2X/rSP4jpilfLrptv81u/xeURgJZn23hqULH6oGLSgN0sb19CzjPBbISzk8w3EmAZW 33PYG/B4KGi7cCogJElcXN80kPjBRcb6VH6ARonw= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-57.myt.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <63e35a46b8ea9bbac0fed0fe8e97b06a47b9b563.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:10:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83h6u12w4u.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> <83pm8p2yej.fsf@HIDDEN> <d31645a9d7f5273e121af0581eb09a8b8f26e03f.camel@HIDDEN> <83h6u12w4u.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 10:54 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > > Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:12 +0300 > >=20 > > FWIW, I co-maintain a color-identifiers mode on github, and I have > > occasionally > > introduced new native-comp warnings (about a variable being referred in= a > > function before its `defvar`). This happens because you debug and test = ELisp > > code without it being compiled at all. Then later after everything seem= s to > > work, you test that byte-compilation produces no warnings. But at that = point > > you > > don't know there isn't any warnings from native-comp, so you also need = to > > load > > the byte-compiled file, which is easy to forget. >=20 > Better testing should fix these. Sure. Setting up a CI to run upon PRs before they're merged would be ideal.= But I don't believe people will start doing that just because there is native-c= omp now. > > That, and given that some modes in (M)Elpa may be unmaintained =E2=80= =94 I don't see > > native-comp warnings go away any time soon. >=20 > Well, they went away in Emacs a long time ago.=C2=A0 So it's doable. Last I checked Emacs was maintained =F0=9F=98=84 For unmaintained modes the= re will be simply no one to merge fixes that someone creates. > > Simply changing emoji would still show interested users there is a prob= lem > > with > > their mode that they can fix, but at the same time would avoid attribut= ing > > negative experience to Emacs per se. >=20 > Feel free to suggest defcustoms to allow users to customize the > symbols.=C2=A0 That should leave everyone happy. The problem is about OOTB behaviour. (although now that I think about that,= Doom Emacs which seems quite popular could maybe replace the emoji in their conf= ig. Hmm=E2=80=A6) > In any case, it's too late to suggest such changes for the emacs-29 > branch. I see. Oh, well=E2=80=A6
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#60854; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 07:54:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 03:54:52 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60308 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi9b1-0005EQ-Nt for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:54:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi9b0-0005Dl-RS for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:54:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi9av-00016z-3T; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:54:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=2bjg4YzMB0CY5uhI35kTZNaX5sYE/tOFIbqt5hRAKGg=; b=WTGRZNuzhVWnrabAYWTJ XUBnAhoyvdND8QG1Ww/9PyhFVZFzLl3tHQYCZDntib665M/neI03XO0gFzOTtIQBN1Bm5LxWgJcQC jtIW0JgFSGyXgC5LScb8LqWXGe1jqxzvBa+vJrhPikPrueGjkE6YA7MPI1lVbsb3plEW8yjivXu8j wjwiekZDGWBW1irMoqatcmanHT6nq1HG5nNtgYlG4BCvhNbPJAqQYpv6baMK0M34yn0uW51s3rN6y wLc6MkZwox4wcbi8gJIeTnCJFq74Ef1FssrFPotk17gpK0EtZ//U6zR8KcaAvGGivY+DBl8tXmziC 6Wt0McNGOU3fUA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi9au-0007FK-Cx; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:54:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:54:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83h6u12w4u.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <d31645a9d7f5273e121af0581eb09a8b8f26e03f.camel@HIDDEN> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:12 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> <83pm8p2yej.fsf@HIDDEN> <d31645a9d7f5273e121af0581eb09a8b8f26e03f.camel@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:12 +0300 > > FWIW, I co-maintain a color-identifiers mode on github, and I have occasionally > introduced new native-comp warnings (about a variable being referred in a > function before its `defvar`). This happens because you debug and test ELisp > code without it being compiled at all. Then later after everything seems to > work, you test that byte-compilation produces no warnings. But at that point you > don't know there isn't any warnings from native-comp, so you also need to load > the byte-compiled file, which is easy to forget. Better testing should fix these. > That, and given that some modes in (M)Elpa may be unmaintained — I don't see > native-comp warnings go away any time soon. Well, they went away in Emacs a long time ago. So it's doable. > Simply changing emoji would still show interested users there is a problem with > their mode that they can fix, but at the same time would avoid attributing > negative experience to Emacs per se. Feel free to suggest defcustoms to allow users to customize the symbols. That should leave everyone happy. In any case, it's too late to suggest such changes for the emacs-29 branch.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#60854; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 07:48:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 03:48:18 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi9Ug-0004xA-84 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:48:18 -0400 Received: from forward502b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.146]:53920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1pi9Ud-0004wd-4E for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:48:16 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-60.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-60.sas.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c08:8212:0:640:cefe:0]) by forward502b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 2ACCF5F1C7; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:13 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-60.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id CmETWaADcmI0-OZSMGIs4; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:12 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1680248892; bh=CW/lMr7OTBsuE5f74zaMey1u82rLjY6M3A3fxEusw9M=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=motHVWnsaEzBvbbsupFtafreKL0mnc9vG22BW1dD1lwv0AbrkENSeIeMKcGG6UnVf JuZQnICt4ui7ueyNDl6Li3LXLxdCqjlmJhqtwEhk3WIzrUEmDtRldRukKF+3LRyRXM AgQuGjulURJSYniXhlbeOctLREWgMkxoB1OmEWrE= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-60.sas.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <d31645a9d7f5273e121af0581eb09a8b8f26e03f.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:48:12 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83pm8p2yej.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> <83pm8p2yej.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 10:05 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > > Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:38 +0300 > >=20 > > Actually, scratch that, it's even worse. You see: the byte-compiled > > packages are natively-compiled on demand, i.e. on the first use. So, > > suppose you updated your (M)ELPA packages. What happens is that you > > get a bunch of warnings for packages that were loaded immediately, > > which is not all of them. During Emacs use later, as you open new > > files that weren't opened during the update thus triggering the > > according modes to load, you will get more and more new warnings. >=20 > Emacs 28 with native-compilation was released a year ago.=C2=A0 MELPA > packages should have adapted to that long ago, by fixing the problems > which cause those warnings.=C2=A0 My suggestion is to file issues with th= e > respective developers and pinging them until they resolve this.=C2=A0 In > almost all cases, these warnings are due to missing 'require's or > other similar omissions.=C2=A0 There's no justification for these problem= s > to exist in the year 2023. FWIW, I co-maintain a color-identifiers mode on github, and I have occasion= ally introduced new native-comp warnings (about a variable being referred in a function before its `defvar`). This happens because you debug and test ELis= p code without it being compiled at all. Then later after everything seems to work, you test that byte-compilation produces no warnings. But at that poin= t you don't know there isn't any warnings from native-comp, so you also need to l= oad the byte-compiled file, which is easy to forget. That, and given that some modes in (M)Elpa may be unmaintained =E2=80=94 I = don't see native-comp warnings go away any time soon. I do sympathise your wish to improve (M)Elpa packages. But the discussed pr= oblem with the wrong emoji shown is not a problem of those modes, it's the Emacs problem. When you see "BIG RED ERROR" for a harmless warning from a `foo-mo= de`, the bad experience is not related to `foo-mode` but to Emacs that disturbs = a user for no reason. Simply changing emoji would still show interested users there is a problem = with their mode that they can fix, but at the same time would avoid attributing negative experience to Emacs per se.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#60854; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 07:05:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 03:05:53 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60211 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi8pc-0003pj-Ki for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:05:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8pa-0003pV-PK for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:05:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8pU-00014R-Ez; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:05:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9KfXZcMISl4rQ2jZoP/aonAoLKBKNf4Q+g3hARsI9Hk=; b=gaEcmb04t88j Olq2eMGXHJp9owFmck+kxvHqLJHpkyIJ17HEPeYF3PS69jaa7uMYNrTj9ZlhsiYB6pyhD4nx9cSkE zt1tOZWRj82YLBPaCzM8EWavrDMBIfaE17qLk+/UV9Cldy3kTkE8WA1iVM2GAskJPEadZpoTapNJV Vs03Ay2xm4stA8nKmt3JK6FUhPAK0jZNXvGt5ydQX8mw7IZtRSZW0/z0gzZNs7P22cVTRYUVRjVkE V0ZklHaTChaZstnR910SwPSrEaARz9OY3MekAitIlyNmceCf7Tk/bHMUTSR4kIOL0zoj1qItarcsl JmVVyR/G3rOsXBLpUemJYg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8pT-0004Wo-W2; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:05:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:05:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83pm8p2yej.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:38 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:38 +0300 > > Actually, scratch that, it's even worse. You see: the byte-compiled > packages are natively-compiled on demand, i.e. on the first use. So, > suppose you updated your (M)ELPA packages. What happens is that you > get a bunch of warnings for packages that were loaded immediately, > which is not all of them. During Emacs use later, as you open new > files that weren't opened during the update thus triggering the > according modes to load, you will get more and more new warnings. Emacs 28 with native-compilation was released a year ago. MELPA packages should have adapted to that long ago, by fixing the problems which cause those warnings. My suggestion is to file issues with the respective developers and pinging them until they resolve this. In almost all cases, these warnings are due to missing 'require's or other similar omissions. There's no justification for these problems to exist in the year 2023.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#60854; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 07:00:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 03:00:03 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60206 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi8jy-0003g8-KC for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:00:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36172) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8jx-0003fS-6R for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:00:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8jr-00006O-BC; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:59:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=rYDrq9aM2RyN3wbJTpPHn4b8rkreuhPRtJ8zLQ8AFhA=; b=Fiq3Xx9BV6WplgKwfWUr beNLDsVjhjfa8NaYHviVeSPQUVb1ahoQUIOZV/JnLY+WwYArb+9xv32Y5s6UuqpLrE9ixbQkTSx25 WhkRXL+ZOs5AC5qRNNnJwMAWN7XbdekLNcNeN9UL52lWAa0lyscr1MC/6ik/Y4MFPuZnWLE7Pohrf Xc+jCWgkkC+xAxwYf4YNOYM0l0b20cxKbHbmjfZsqld9dS5MbZTcWYyyOCiay2fg++/fOz14GpU4l p8ME60ljRe96eIEYxgTwk8z1ME5PSw+ig+lCv4k/yBOZOuGYM39lU5eJarcj58WRWZy+eeTyx4Jzs nUPyORTr3Ly6Lw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8jp-0003jT-38; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:59:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:00:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83r0t52yob.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:19:26 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:19:26 +0300 > > On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 08:55 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > > > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:06 +0300 > > > > > > Given release is pretty close, how about at least replacing the emoji to > > > radio > > > button? 🔘 This way it would be clearly a button, and also wouldn't have any > > > reds in it > > > > Who says this character is widespread enough for us to use it? > > 🔘 was approved to Unicode in 2010¹. In comparison, the ⛔ character being used > now was approved in 2009². Also, both characters were part of the same release > Emoji Version 1.0. > > So I guess, there shouldn't be much difference? What matters for Emacs is the support of these characters by popular fonts out there, not since when are their codepoints defined. > > Anyway, I see no reason to rush with this. The current situation is > > not really that bad, considering that these messages should not be > > shown too frequently. > > My experience is the opposite, which is why I'm pinging this issue. When native > compilation is enabled (which is guess is what we'd prefer to see as it improves > performance for our users), it is shown every time stuff from ELPA gets byte- > recompiled. That is, every time you install or update packages, you will get > some warnings. My advice is to invest efforts in fixing the problems which cause those warnings instead of in looking for better symbols that are shown when the warnings are emitted.
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Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 06:26:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 02:26:43 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi8Di-0002a5-Kk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:26:42 -0400 Received: from forward500c.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.208]:57786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1pi8Dh-0002Zy-6d for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:26:41 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-17.iva.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-17.iva.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0c:859e:0:640:83b:0]) by forward500c.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 089FC5F26A; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-17.iva.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id dQDs7i9DU4Y0-CbrbDWEc; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:39 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1680243999; bh=8Sxo+avZz1pW9lm8Ewm8Jvh2s3iEsivvGdrzyYHAQxM=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=CNfTqWkV566MCl/vITsUZPkqhBLLcL+B4TywEGMp753sQdFcjkEU6/xrf4Zsu9obR N1c82sQNm9VXPJCnPPLJxLZ2krNlbQQA9pCq5G0pslB/B1fPHYCB0qOyWSzj2bs0lT R+2kXOG2v2cI+/DlsUBih0sX2BrDvTzKQ3QTLp3s= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-17.iva.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <cb90240a14215f63f86c889b435296155cec8f20.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:26:38 +0300 In-Reply-To: <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 09:19 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote: > On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 08:55 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > > > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:06 +0300 > > >=20 > > > Given release is pretty close, how about at least replacing the emoji= to > > > radio > > > button? =F0=9F=94=98 This way it would be clearly a button, and also = wouldn't have > > > any > > > reds in it > >=20 > > Who says this character is widespread enough for us to use it? >=20 > =F0=9F=94=98 was approved to Unicode in 2010=C2=B9. In comparison, the = =E2=9B=94 character being used > now was approved in 2009=C2=B2.=C2=A0Also, both characters were part of t= he same release > Emoji Version 1.0. >=20 > So I guess, there shouldn't be much difference? >=20 > > Anyway, I see no reason to rush with this.=C2=A0 The current situation = is > > not really that bad, considering that these messages should not be > > shown too frequently. >=20 > My experience is the opposite, which is why I'm pinging this issue. When > native > compilation is enabled (which is guess is what we'd prefer to see as it > improves > performance for our users), it is shown every time stuff from ELPA gets b= yte- > recompiled. That is, every time you install or update packages, you will = get > some warnings. Actually, scratch that, it's even worse. You see: the byte-compiled package= s are natively-compiled on demand, i.e. on the first use. So, suppose you updated= your (M)ELPA packages. What happens is that you get a bunch of warnings for pack= ages that were loaded immediately, which is not all of them. During Emacs use la= ter, as you open new files that weren't opened during the update thus triggering= the according modes to load, you will get more and more new warnings.
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Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2023 06:19:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 31 02:19:35 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60176 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pi86p-0002NC-6B for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:19:35 -0400 Received: from forward501b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.145]:47598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1pi86k-0002Mt-GA for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 02:19:32 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-31.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-31.sas.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c08:d315:0:640:bb64:0]) by forward501b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 730AD5EF8D; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:19:28 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-31.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id RJDdxh9WoiE0-NiyWx1wW; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:19:28 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1680243568; bh=ngX9v7wBOeTpPS/fkOOG2ycT4M+r6FSke8dOHPICpvQ=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=aJB6lf4AB5DICT0+vBc8QfwzxuWtWS5Q+Jz2leO95cZV5KwAowiMfl5oVdi8uUejC xQa2SORFysI8VF0scOGDxzRHiuocC7kvsqXPa+WBYvcd2qCYXXZAE3+FOYZpHiyw1x cv7rSe9vidsweMAu4+vv6++bTMRatTeVPAW4+Vpo= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-31.sas.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <7378ade3da2c8965c410b4135db74736d42cd4b2.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:19:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> <83355l4g7w.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 Cc: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 08:55 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> > > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:06 +0300 > >=20 > > Given release is pretty close, how about at least replacing the emoji t= o > > radio > > button? =F0=9F=94=98 This way it would be clearly a button, and also wo= uldn't have any > > reds in it >=20 > Who says this character is widespread enough for us to use it? =F0=9F=94=98 was approved to Unicode in 2010=C2=B9. In comparison, the =E2= =9B=94 character being used now was approved in 2009=C2=B2.=C2=A0Also, both characters were part of the= same release Emoji Version 1.0. So I guess, there shouldn't be much difference? > Anyway, I see no reason to rush with this.=C2=A0 The current situation is > not really that bad, considering that these messages should not be > shown too frequently. My experience is the opposite, which is why I'm pinging this issue. When na= tive compilation is enabled (which is guess is what we'd prefer to see as it imp= roves performance for our users), it is shown every time stuff from ELPA gets byt= e- recompiled. That is, every time you install or update packages, you will ge= t some warnings. 1: https://emojipedia.org/radio-button/ 2: https://emojipedia.org/no-entry/
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Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Mar 2023 20:58:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 30 16:58:14 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1phzLZ-0005Ja-Q3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:58:14 -0400 Received: from forward500b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.144]:56034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1phzLV-0005JN-Q8 for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:58:11 -0400 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-91.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-91.sas.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c14:2991:0:640:bb47:0]) by forward500b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8E5EB5EF86 for <60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:07 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-91.sas.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 6wQNtL5DZa60-c8qFWmhm; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:07 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1680209887; bh=bc6Uk8pwLaXGxXcx4+qyBVvNWwuyla2Pgv4CNnwNeTo=; h=In-Reply-To:Date:References:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=M0pEHL3m9+AdTzrQurMQZeBsR4Hgj90xjJZWiTSPArxmEHQq4nqVPpSZa5DM2N0ta RKCz1mmQYmIMxyBuOaozWspcMwXNLPAPtfCmv8hW4gTM1hdQ4wEfvzotxPfLxcfpTB B9AJZKDqVjftxAcaRAgzrKAmq0YXPbtNZohQbtkA= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-91.sas.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <9f05f1a05b9d8f1a496aed84bf44b039ac7bb662.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#60854: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:58:06 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, 2023-02-11 at 13:56 +0300, Konstantin Kharlamov wrote: > Jim Porter wrote: > > On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > > Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > > Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is = apparently "No > > > > Entry > > > > Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No > > > > ____", > > > > e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji= . > > >=20 > > > (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey th= e idea of > > > "suppressing" something?) > >=20 > > That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button > > where the icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - > > =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F - or has it been suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changi= ng to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C would be > > single-character patches, which is nice too. >=20 > As a user, seeing any of =E2=9D=8C or =F0=9F=9A=AB in compilation buffer = I think immediately of > a > problem because these emojis are shown in red color. You might say that c= olor > depends on a font, however they both are even documented on emojipedia to= be > "red", so rest assured, if there's a colorful emoji support on a user sys= tem, > most likely the color will be red. >=20 > The fact it's actually a button that is supposed to do something is an > interesting one, but since a button isn't actually used for displaying th= e > button, it's kind of an easter egg. We know it's a button, but no one els= e > will. (as a side note, I am also not sure why to make a button on every > warning) >=20 > So please, let's either replace it with =E2=9A=A0 as originally suggested= , or make it > an > actual button with an actual text "suppress warnings". As it stands now, = just > replacing it with =E2=9D=8C or =F0=9F=9A=AB will not reduce any confusion= . Given release is pretty close, how about at least replacing the emoji to ra= dio button? =F0=9F=94=98 This way it would be clearly a button, and also wouldn= 't have any reds in it
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Full text available.Received: (at 60854) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2023 10:56:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 11 05:56:54 2023 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1pQnYs-00080x-Hu for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:56:54 -0500 Received: from forward501b.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.145]:36576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <hi-angel@HIDDEN>) id 1pQnYq-00080m-0a for 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 05:56:53 -0500 Received: from sas8-e2d6e97d76c7.qloud-c.yandex.net (sas8-e2d6e97d76c7.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c1b:2904:0:640:e2d6:e97d]) by forward501b.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id E8CB25EBE4 for <60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:56:49 +0300 (MSK) Received: by sas8-e2d6e97d76c7.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id nudertJYmSw1-ZJrfpH7L; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:56:49 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1676113009; bh=wmpeU0wmc5zDq/nrLKyVGNtUQzRjO63kBUNYnEpiTpI=; h=In-Reply-To:Date:References:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=bTfoh1H8ir1Jb0jFINNI01N5vgRLCretdOJyijqDWm0d/ZcgB7YmZLd623mtfifJq Sjh30RaK6aM9ayseOaKzS/rKAr6V4xgoWWWKEH8BMGz2ufLeUJhYRzj7q0Tttxyv8V +NBOsJJ+2u1AKCt/0hKqUZ7+HhyTDKytQKbSzHN4= Authentication-Results: sas8-e2d6e97d76c7.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <1214753ab8b9b72bb2dbbeb4113e67ab0b088167.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#61413: [PATCH] Make warnings show a "warning" emoji instead of a stop-sign From: Konstantin Kharlamov <hi-angel@HIDDEN> To: 60854 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 13:56:49 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <20230211084559.516124-1-Hi-Angel@HIDDEN> <83h6vsjxpe.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60854 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jim Porter wrote: > On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > Jim Porter <jporterbugs <at> gmail.com> writes: > >> Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is app= arently "No Entry > >> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No __= __", > >> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji. > > > > (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey the = idea of > > "suppressing" something?) > > That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button > where the icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - > =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F - or has it been suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changing= to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C would be > single-character patches, which is nice too. As a user, seeing any of =E2=9D=8C or =F0=9F=9A=AB in compilation buffer I = think immediately of a problem because these emojis are shown in red color. You might say that col= or depends on a font, however they both are even documented on emojipedia to b= e "red", so rest assured, if there's a colorful emoji support on a user syste= m, most likely the color will be red. The fact it's actually a button that is supposed to do something is an interesting one, but since a button isn't actually used for displaying the button, it's kind of an easter egg. We know it's a button, but no one else will. (as a side note, I am also not sure why to make a button on every war= ning) So please, let's either replace it with =E2=9A=A0 as originally suggested, = or make it an actual button with an actual text "suppress warnings". As it stands now, ju= st replacing it with =E2=9D=8C or =F0=9F=9A=AB will not reduce any confusion.
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>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 07:51:19 +0100, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec <kevin.lego=
uguec@HIDDEN> said:
K=C3=A9vin> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>> On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote:
>>> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>> Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is=
apparently "No Entry
>>>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "N=
o ____",
>>>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoj=
i.
>>> (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey =
the idea of
>>> "suppressing" something?)
>>=20
>> That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button =
where the
>> icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - =E2=9A=
=A0=EF=B8=8F - or has it been
>> suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changing to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C w=
ould be single-character patches,
>> which is nice too.
K=C3=A9vin> Sure, the toggle sounds like a nice idea regardless, since =
IIUC right
K=C3=A9vin> now a user has to go through Customize to take warnings off=
either
K=C3=A9vin> warning-suppress-*types.
K=C3=A9vin> (Sorry for the idle musing, this is the first time I look a=
t what knobs
K=C3=A9vin> warnings.el lets the user tweak.
K=C3=A9vin> As things stand, if a user doesn't want to completely igno=
re a warning,
K=C3=A9vin> their only choices seem to be "pop *Warnings*" or "meh, tu=
ck it in
K=C3=A9vin> *Warnings* but don't pop; hopefully I'll remember to check=
that buffer
K=C3=A9vin> someday", is that correct?
Yes
K=C3=A9vin> Might be nice to have further options for "suppression", e=
.g.=E2=80=A6
K=C3=A9vin> "don't pop the *Warnings* buffer, but display in echo area=
", or
K=C3=A9vin> "=E2=80=A6 but add a modeli=
ne indicator"
K=C3=A9vin> =E2=80=A6 but that's its own feature request)
Sure. Just don=CA=BCt turn that on by default :-)
>>> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidat=
e for
>>> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user =
some
>>> degree of control via icon-preference.
>>=20
>> Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BF (define-icon warnings-suppress button
>> '((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
>> (symbol " =E2=96=A0 ")
>> (text " stop "))
>> "Suppress warnings."
>> :version "29.1"
>> :help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
K=C3=A9vin> (Ah, great, so we're only missing an 'image entry for that =
one. Just a
K=C3=A9vin> trivial matter of choosing what the image should look like =
then =F0=9F=98=81)
Whilst you=CA=BCre changing stuff, the text should not be "stop", it should
be "suppress" or "ignore" or something.
Robert
--=20
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Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
> On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote:
>> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is appa=
rently "No Entry
>>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ___=
_",
>>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji.
>> (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey the i=
dea of
>> "suppressing" something?)
>
> That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button where=
the
> icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning - =E2=9A=A0=EF=
=B8=8F - or has it been
> suppressed - =E2=9A=AC). But changing to =F0=9F=9A=AB or =E2=9D=8C would =
be single-character patches,
> which is nice too.
Sure, the toggle sounds like a nice idea regardless, since IIUC right
now a user has to go through Customize to take warnings off either
warning-suppress-*types.
(Sorry for the idle musing, this is the first time I look at what knobs
warnings.el lets the user tweak.
As things stand, if a user doesn't want to completely ignore a warning,
their only choices seem to be "pop *Warnings*" or "meh, tuck it in
*Warnings* but don't pop; hopefully I'll remember to check that buffer
someday", is that correct?
Might be nice to have further options for "suppression", e.g.=E2=80=A6
"don't pop the *Warnings* buffer, but display in echo area", or
"=E2=80=A6 but add a modeline indicator"
=E2=80=A6 but that's its own feature request)
>> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for
>> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some
>> degree of control via icon-preference.
>
> Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
>
> =EF=BB=BF (define-icon warnings-suppress button
> '((emoji "=E2=9B=94")
> (symbol " =E2=96=A0 ")
> (text " stop "))
> "Suppress warnings."
> :version "29.1"
> :help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
(Ah, great, so we're only missing an 'image entry for that one. Just a
trivial matter of choosing what the image should look like then =F0=9F=98=
=81)
Thanks for the answers =F0=9F=99=8F
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On 1/17/2023 2:19 PM, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote:
> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Perhaps a bit better would be 🚫, whose official name is apparently "No Entry
>> Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____",
>> e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji.
>
> (My ¢2: wouldn't a cross mark (❌) also work to convey the idea of
> "suppressing" something?)
That would work too. I still like turning this into a toggle button
where the icon shows the current state (i.e. is it an active warning -
⚠️ - or has it been suppressed - ⚬). But changing to 🚫 or ❌ would be
single-character patches, which is nice too.
> The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for
> implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some
> degree of control via icon-preference.
Yup, the icon we have today is implemented via icons.el:
(define-icon warnings-suppress button
'((emoji "⛔")
(symbol " ■ ")
(text " stop "))
"Suppress warnings."
:version "29.1"
:help-echo "Click to suppress this warning type")
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Don't go this way because there's= a > problem ahead." > > Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is appare= ntly "No Entry > Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____", > e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji. (My =C2=A22: wouldn't a cross mark (=E2=9D=8C) also work to convey the idea= of "suppressing" something?) > We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite = right, > and use the emoji as a fallback. The new icons.el that comes with Emacs 29 would be a prime candidate for implementing this, right? It has the advantage of giving the user some degree of control via icon-preference.
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Don't go this way becau= se there's a problem ahead." >=20 > Perhaps a bit better would be =F0=9F=9A=AB, whose official name is apparen= tly "No Entry Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just mean= s "No ____", e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited e= moji. >=20 > Another way to handle the UI (which I see more often, and personally prefe= r) is that the button is a toggle, and its icon indicates the current state.= This would require adding a bit of code so that clicking the button again *= un*suppresses the warning, but then you could use something like =E2=9A=A0=EF= =B8=8F to indicate that the warning is currently enabled (and clicking it wi= ll suppress it), and maybe =E2=9A=AA or =E2=9A=AC to indicate that the warni= ng is currently suppressed (and clicking it will reenable it). Or maybe =E2=9D= =97 and =E2=9D=95, respectively? >=20 > We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite r= ight, and use the emoji as a fallback.
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I think the confusion is that the literal meaning of the ⛔ icon is "No Entry", so it's very easy to read it as, "Stop! Don't go this way because there's a problem ahead." Perhaps a bit better would be 🚫, whose official name is apparently "No Entry Sign", even though the slashed circle visual usually just means "No ____", e.g. "No Smoking". Hence, some sources call it the Prohibited emoji. Another way to handle the UI (which I see more often, and personally prefer) is that the button is a toggle, and its icon indicates the current state. This would require adding a bit of code so that clicking the button again *un*suppresses the warning, but then you could use something like ⚠️ to indicate that the warning is currently enabled (and clicking it will suppress it), and maybe ⚪ or ⚬ to indicate that the warning is currently suppressed (and clicking it will reenable it). Or maybe ❗ and ❕, respectively? We could also add actual images for this icon if none of these are quite right, and use the emoji as a fallback.
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I don't > mind showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F as the icon for that button, indeed. > --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000d2dadb05f260a477 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, it would create less confusion IMvvvHO<div><br></div>= <div>Thanks, /PA</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 at 10:58, Daniel Mart=C3=ADn <= <a href=3D"mailto:mardani29@HIDDEN">mardani29@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br>= </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pedro Andres Aranda= Gutierrez <<a href=3D"mailto:paaguti@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank">paagu= ti@HIDDEN</a>> writes:<br> <br> > Currently, warnings are visually "enhanced" with a =E2=9B=94= sign.<br> > However, the warning signs are =EF=BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slig= htly different European<br> > version.<br> <br> I had the same question as you, but it turns out that the =E2=9B=94 icon is= not<br> intended to represent a warning, it is a button that you can click to<br> *suppress* that warning type.<br> <br> Perhaps we can choose a different Emoji to avoid confusion.=C2=A0 I don'= ;t<br> mind showing =E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F as the icon for that button, indeed.<br> </blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div= >Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,<br></div>Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden<br></div>Georg Kreisler</div><div><br></div><div>Headach= es with a Juju log:</div><div>unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet<br><br></div></div></div></div> --000000000000d2dadb05f260a477--
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However, the warning signs are =EF=BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slightly = different European version. --=20 Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --00000000000009c2bd05f25ca1d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Currently, warnings are visually "enhanced"= with a =E2=9B=94 sign. <br></div><div>However, the warning signs are =EF= =BB=BF=E2=9A=A0=EF=B8=8F or its slightly different European version. <br></= div><div><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartma= il=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Fra= gen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,<br></div>Fragen sind da um gest= ellt zu werden<br></div>Georg Kreisler</div><div><br></div><div>Headaches w= ith a Juju log:</div><div>unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.unite= r.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet<= br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div> --00000000000009c2bd05f25ca1d9--
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