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set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as glyphless characters

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From: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as glyphless characters
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 00:59:37 -0500

I need characters from specific scripts to be shown as glyphless
characters (i.e. hexadecimal codes inside boxes). In [[1][this message]],
Eli Zaretskii cited the docstring of set-fontset-font (relevant part
shown in QUOTE block below) to backup the suggestion that if I wanted to
display Amharic and Chinese characters as glyphless characters, I should
call =set-fontset-font= with =CHARACTERS= equal to =nil=.

#+BEGIN_QUOTE
CHARACTERS may be nil. In that case, use FONT-SPEC for any character for
which no font-spec is specified in FONTSET."
#+END_QUOTE

I tried Eli's suggestion. However, this didn't make the characters from
all of the specified scripts to be shown as hexadecimal codes inside
boxes. I explain how I reproduced the issue in the lines below.

I emptied =~/.config/emacs/init.el= and inserted the following sexps
into that file.

#+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
(set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
#+END_SRC

I created the file =/tmp/a.txt= with the following content

#+HEADER: :tangle /tmp/a.txt
#+BEGIN_SRC text
The following lines were retrieved from the HELLO buffer which is
opened by calling view-hello-file in GNU Emacs 29.3.
Brahmi (𑀩𑁆𑀭𑀸𑀳𑁆𑀫𑀻)       𑀦𑀫𑀲𑁆𑀢𑁂
Egyptian Hieroglyphs (𓂋𓏤𓈖𓆎𓅓‌𓏏𓊖) 𓅓𓊵𓏏𓊪, 𓇍𓇋𓂻𓍘𓇋
Amharic (አማርኛ)  ሠላም
Tagbanwa (ᝦᝪᝯ)  ᝫᝩᝬᝥ ᝣᝮᝧᝯ
Chinese (中文,普通话,汉语)     你好
#+END_SRC

I launched Emacs by running =$ emacs= in a terminal emulator. I didn't
use the =-Q= flag so that =~/.config/emacs/init.el= is read.

I evaluated =(find-file "/tmp/a.txt")=, and I could see that
hexadecimal codes in a box were shown for the Brahmi and Egyptian
Hieroglyphs characters. This is expected behavior. However, the
Amharic, Tagbanwa and Chinese characters weren't shown as hexadecimal
codes inside a box but instead they were shown using other fonts. This
is unexpected behavior. I called =describe-char= in the first
character of each line to see which font is used for each script.

+ Brahmi: no font available
+ Egyptian Hieroglyphs: no font available
+ Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans
  Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
+ Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans
  Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
+ Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK
  KR-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)

Just to make it clear, to me the behavior that actually honours the
docstring of =set-fontset-font= is that the characters from the
scripts in the file =/tmp/a.txt= are shown as hexadecimal codes inside
boxes.

[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2024-05/msg01020.html

In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41,
cairo version 1.18.0)
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004
System Description: Ubuntu 22.04.4 LTS

Configured using:
 'configure
 CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/v9p25q9l5nnaixkhpap5rnymmwbhf9rp-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash
 SHELL=/gnu/store/v9p25q9l5nnaixkhpap5rnymmwbhf9rp-bash-minimal-5.1.16/bin/bash
 --prefix=/gnu/store/bpalqnfh1y0hy1921lpxx5a6yr6b5ksi-emacs-29.3
 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules
 --with-native-compilation=aot --disable-build-details'

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Message #8 received at 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
Cc: 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71025: set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as glyphless
 characters
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 10:57:30 +0300

> From: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
> Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 00:59:37 -0500
> 
> 
> I need characters from specific scripts to be shown as glyphless
> characters (i.e. hexadecimal codes inside boxes). In [[1][this message]],
> Eli Zaretskii cited the docstring of set-fontset-font (relevant part
> shown in QUOTE block below) to backup the suggestion that if I wanted to
> display Amharic and Chinese characters as glyphless characters, I should
> call =set-fontset-font= with =CHARACTERS= equal to =nil=.
> 
> #+BEGIN_QUOTE
> CHARACTERS may be nil. In that case, use FONT-SPEC for any character for
> which no font-spec is specified in FONTSET."
> #+END_QUOTE
> 
> I tried Eli's suggestion. However, this didn't make the characters from
> all of the specified scripts to be shown as hexadecimal codes inside
> boxes. I explain how I reproduced the issue in the lines below.
> 
> I emptied =~/.config/emacs/init.el= and inserted the following sexps
> into that file.
> 
> #+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
> #+BEGIN_SRC elisp
> (set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
> #+END_SRC
> 
> I created the file =/tmp/a.txt= with the following content
> 
> #+HEADER: :tangle /tmp/a.txt
> #+BEGIN_SRC text
> The following lines were retrieved from the HELLO buffer which is
> opened by calling view-hello-file in GNU Emacs 29.3.
> Brahmi (𑀩𑁆𑀭𑀸𑀳𑁆𑀫𑀻)       𑀦𑀫𑀲𑁆𑀢𑁂
> Egyptian Hieroglyphs (𓂋𓏤𓈖𓆎𓅓‌𓏏𓊖) 𓅓𓊵𓏏𓊪, 𓇍𓇋𓂻𓍘𓇋
> Amharic (አማርኛ)  ሠላም
> Tagbanwa (ᝦᝪᝯ)  ᝫᝩᝬᝥ ᝣᝮᝧᝯ
> Chinese (中文,普通话,汉语)     你好
> #+END_SRC
> 
> I launched Emacs by running =$ emacs= in a terminal emulator. I didn't
> use the =-Q= flag so that =~/.config/emacs/init.el= is read.
> 
> I evaluated =(find-file "/tmp/a.txt")=, and I could see that
> hexadecimal codes in a box were shown for the Brahmi and Egyptian
> Hieroglyphs characters. This is expected behavior. However, the
> Amharic, Tagbanwa and Chinese characters weren't shown as hexadecimal
> codes inside a box but instead they were shown using other fonts. This
> is unexpected behavior. I called =describe-char= in the first
> character of each line to see which font is used for each script.
> 
> + Brahmi: no font available
> + Egyptian Hieroglyphs: no font available
> + Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans
>   Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
> + Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans
>   Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
> + Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK
>   KR-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)
> 
> Just to make it clear, to me the behavior that actually honours the
> docstring of =set-fontset-font= is that the characters from the
> scripts in the file =/tmp/a.txt= are shown as hexadecimal codes inside
> boxes.

I cannot reproduce this.  On my system, those 5 lines in the init file
show all the scripts in a.txt as hexadecimal codes.

Do you have site-init files in your Emacs installation?  Or some
early-init file?  Maybe something other than the init file is
affecting this.  Otherwise, I have no idea why this doesn't work for
you, as it does for me.

Message #11 received at 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: me <at> rodrigomorales.site
Cc: 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71025: set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as glyphless
 characters
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 11:18:20 +0300

> Cc: 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 10:57:30 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> I cannot reproduce this.  On my system, those 5 lines in the init file
> show all the scripts in a.txt as hexadecimal codes.
> 
> Do you have site-init files in your Emacs installation?  Or some
> early-init file?  Maybe something other than the init file is
> affecting this.  Otherwise, I have no idea why this doesn't work for
> you, as it does for me.

Or maybe your default font supports those scripts, in which case Emacs
will use it regardless of the fontset setup?  What happens if you
change the default font to something that doesn't support these scripts?

Message #14 received at 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71025: set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as
 glyphless characters
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 11:49:21 -0500

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Do you have site-init files in your Emacs installation?  Or some
> early-init file?  Maybe something other than the init file is
> affecting this.  Otherwise, I have no idea why this doesn't work for
> you, as it does for me.

load-history doesn't show other files in the ~/.config directory besides
~/.config/emacs/init.el. Here's how I found it out.

I used the same configuration file.

#+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
(set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
#+END_SRC

When Emacs GUI opened, I visited the file =/tmp/a.txt=. Brahmi and Egyptian Hieroglyphs were shown as hexadecimal codes. Amharic and Tagbanwa and Chinese were shown with other fonts. I used =describe-char= to find out which font those scripts were using.

Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK KR-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)

#+HEADER: :tangle /tmp/a.txt
#+BEGIN_SRC text
The following lines were retrieved from the HELLO buffer which is
opened by calling view-hello-file in GNU Emacs 29.3.
Brahmi (𑀩𑁆𑀭𑀸𑀳𑁆𑀫𑀻)       𑀦𑀫𑀲𑁆𑀢𑁂
Egyptian Hieroglyphs (𓂋𓏤𓈖𓆎𓅓‌𓏏𓊖) 𓅓𓊵𓏏𓊪, 𓇍𓇋𓂻𓍘𓇋
Amharic (አማርኛ)  ሠላም
Tagbanwa (ᝦᝪᝯ)  ᝫᝩᝬᝥ ᝣᝮᝧᝯ
Chinese (中文,普通话,汉语)     你好
#+END_SRC

I launched =emacs= and I pressed =C-h v load-history RET=. The content of the =*Help*= buffer can be found here: http://web.archive.org/web/20240520161841/http://0x0.st/XPww.txt . I searched =.config= inside the =*Help*= buffer and I only found one match: =/home/rodrigo/.config/emacs/init.el=, so I don't think there are other configuration files that are influencing this behavior.

> Or maybe your default font supports those scripts, in which case Emacs
> will use it regardless of the fontset setup?  What happens if you
> change the default font to something that doesn't support these scripts?

I changed the default font to =Cozette=.

#+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
#+BEGIN_SRC elisp
(add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(font . "Cozette"))
(set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
(set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
#+END_SRC

When Emacs GUI opened, I visited the file =/tmp/a.txt=. Brahmi and Egyptian Hieroglyphs were shown as hexadecimal codes. Amharic and Tagbanwa and Chinese were shown with other fonts. I used =describe-char= to find out which font those scripts were using.

Amharic: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x1221)
Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x176C)
Chinese: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x4F5F)

Because Unifont was being used for those scripts, I decided to delete
that font from my system just to see what happens. I removed
=unifont-15.1.05.bdf= from the directory =~/.fonts= and executed
=fc-cache -f=. I launched Emacs again and visited =/tmp/a.txt=. I used
=describe-char= to find out the font that were using for those
scripts.

Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK KR-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)

Note that these fonts were the same used as when I didn't change the
default font through =(add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(font . "Cozette"))=.

Message #17 received at 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
Cc: 71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#71025: set-fontset-font doesn't show some scripts as
 glyphless characters
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:02:23 +0300

> From: Rodrigo Morales <me <at> rodrigomorales.site>
> CC: <71025 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 11:49:21 -0500
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Do you have site-init files in your Emacs installation?  Or some
> > early-init file?  Maybe something other than the init file is
> > affecting this.  Otherwise, I have no idea why this doesn't work for
> > you, as it does for me.
> 
> load-history doesn't show other files in the ~/.config directory besides
> ~/.config/emacs/init.el. Here's how I found it out.
> 
> I used the same configuration file.
> 
> #+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
> #+BEGIN_SRC elisp
> (set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
> #+END_SRC
> 
> When Emacs GUI opened, I visited the file =/tmp/a.txt=. Brahmi and Egyptian Hieroglyphs were shown as hexadecimal codes. Amharic and Tagbanwa and Chinese were shown with other fonts. I used =describe-char= to find out which font those scripts were using.
> 
> Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
> Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
> Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK KR-regular-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)
> 
> #+HEADER: :tangle /tmp/a.txt
> #+BEGIN_SRC text
> The following lines were retrieved from the HELLO buffer which is
> opened by calling view-hello-file in GNU Emacs 29.3.
> Brahmi (𑀩𑁆𑀭𑀸𑀳𑁆𑀫𑀻)       𑀦𑀫𑀲𑁆𑀢𑁂
> Egyptian Hieroglyphs (𓂋𓏤𓈖𓆎𓅓‌𓏏𓊖) 𓅓𓊵𓏏𓊪, 𓇍𓇋𓂻𓍘𓇋
> Amharic (አማርኛ)  ሠላም
> Tagbanwa (ᝦᝪᝯ)  ᝫᝩᝬᝥ ᝣᝮᝧᝯ
> Chinese (中文,普通话,汉语)     你好
> #+END_SRC
> 
> I launched =emacs= and I pressed =C-h v load-history RET=. The content of the =*Help*= buffer can be found here: http://web.archive.org/web/20240520161841/http://0x0.st/XPww.txt . I searched =.config= inside the =*Help*= buffer and I only found one match: =/home/rodrigo/.config/emacs/init.el=, so I don't think there are other configuration files that are influencing this behavior.
> 
> > Or maybe your default font supports those scripts, in which case Emacs
> > will use it regardless of the fontset setup?  What happens if you
> > change the default font to something that doesn't support these scripts?
> 
> I changed the default font to =Cozette=.
> 
> #+HEADER: :tangle ~/.config/emacs/init.el
> #+BEGIN_SRC elisp
> (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(font . "Cozette"))
> (set-fontset-font t 'brahmi nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'egyptian nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'ethiopic nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'tagbanwa nil)
> (set-fontset-font t 'han nil)
> #+END_SRC
> 
> When Emacs GUI opened, I visited the file =/tmp/a.txt=. Brahmi and Egyptian Hieroglyphs were shown as hexadecimal codes. Amharic and Tagbanwa and Chinese were shown with other fonts. I used =describe-char= to find out which font those scripts were using.
> 
> Amharic: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x1221)
> Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x176C)
> Chinese: ftcrhb:-GNU -Unifont Sample-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-d-0-iso10646-1 (#x4F5F)
> 
> Because Unifont was being used for those scripts, I decided to delete
> that font from my system just to see what happens. I removed
> =unifont-15.1.05.bdf= from the directory =~/.fonts= and executed
> =fc-cache -f=. I launched Emacs again and visited =/tmp/a.txt=. I used
> =describe-char= to find out the font that were using for those
> scripts.
> 
> Amharic: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Ethiopic-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2B)
> Tagbanwa: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans Tagbanwa-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x12)
> Chinese: ftcrhb:-GOOG-Noto Sans CJK KR-regular-normal-normal-*-13-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1 (#x2703)
> 
> Note that these fonts were the same used as when I didn't change the
> default font through =(add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(font . "Cozette"))=.

I can only say that I can reproduce none of these strange behaviors.
I have no idea what happens on your system, sorry.

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