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GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-04-15
[menubar] File
or:
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File
... ...(menuitems)
"Open Directory"
...(more menuitems)
or:
C-x d
"Dired: (directory):"
Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since this is on Linux)
of the term "Directory".
However, when:
[menubar] File > Save As
[Create] button
[tooltip] "Create Folder"
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
This is an inconsistency.
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
Bauke Jan Douma
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x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0)
of 2024-04-15<br>
<br>
[menubar] File<br>
or:<br>
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File<br>
... ...(menuitems)<br>
"Open Directory"<br>
...(more menuitems)<br>
or:<br>
C-x d<br>
"Dired: (directory):"<br>
<br>
<br>
Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since
this is on Linux)<br>
of the term "Directory".<br>
<br>
However, when:<br>
<br>
[menubar] File > Save As<br>
[Create] button<br>
[tooltip] "Create Folder"<br>
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with
that name<br>
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)<br>
<br>
<br>
This is an inconsistency.<br>
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the
tooltip, "Directory Name"<br>
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists"
for the message.<br>
</font><br>
<br>
Bauke Jan Douma<br>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:03:00 +0200
> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
>
> However, when:
>
> [menubar] File > Save As
> [Create] button
> [tooltip] "Create Folder"
> [popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
> already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
>
> This is an inconsistency.
> Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
> for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
The dialog shown when you click File->Save As is the GUI dialog
provided by the toolkit (in your case, it seems like GTK+), and Emacs
has very little control on what it says, what it shows, and what are
the tooltips there.
So I don't think this is an Emacs bug, if at all.
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> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 00:03:27 +0200
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> Eli Zaretskii wrote on 6/21/24 21:20:
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:03:00 +0200
> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
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> However, when:
>
> [menubar] File > Save As
> [Create] button
> [tooltip] "Create Folder"
> [popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
> already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
>
> This is an inconsistency.
> Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
> for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
>
>
> The dialog shown when you click File->Save As is the GUI dialog
> provided by the toolkit (in your case, it seems like GTK+), and Emacs
> has very little control on what it says, what it shows, and what are
> the tooltips there.
>
> So I don't think this is an Emacs bug, if at all.
>
> Hmm -- I actually hadn't realized that. I guess I was put on the wrong footing
> because a) the window is reported by xprop as 'Emacs', b) (as the GDK introspection
> tool reveals) it has a '#emacs-dialog' css ID and c) it looks a bit different from
> the regular file-manager windows on my system.
>
> Anyway, to be fair I didn't call it a bug, but an inconsistency -- though
> admiitedly it isn't even that.
> Or was I wrong to post it on THIS list, and is there a more appropriate list to
> report such possible issues?
This is the right list, but there's nothing we can do about the text
in the GTK dialogs, and I very much doubt that GTK folks will change
the text to match the Emacs nomenclature.
So I think this is an inconsistency we will need to live with.
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GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-04-15
[menubar] File
or:
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File
... ...(menuitems)
"Open Directory"
...(more menuitems)
or:
C-x d
"Dired: (directory):"
Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since this is on Linux)
of the term "Directory".
However, when:
[menubar] File > Save As
[Create] button
[tooltip] "Create Folder"
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
This is an inconsistency.
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
Bauke Jan Douma
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<font size="4" face="monospace">GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1,
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0)
of 2024-04-15<br>
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[menubar] File<br>
or:<br>
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File<br>
... ...(menuitems)<br>
"Open Directory"<br>
...(more menuitems)<br>
or:<br>
C-x d<br>
"Dired: (directory):"<br>
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Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since
this is on Linux)<br>
of the term "Directory".<br>
<br>
However, when:<br>
<br>
[menubar] File > Save As<br>
[Create] button<br>
[tooltip] "Create Folder"<br>
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with
that name<br>
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)<br>
<br>
<br>
This is an inconsistency.<br>
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the
tooltip, "Directory Name"<br>
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists"
for the message.<br>
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Bauke Jan Douma<br>
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>> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 00:03:27 +0200
>> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii wrote on 6/21/24 21:20:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:03:00 +0200
>> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
>>
>> However, when:
>>
>> [menubar] File > Save As
>> [Create] button
>> [tooltip] "Create Folder"
>> [popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
>> already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
>>
>> This is an inconsistency.
>> Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
>> for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
>>
>>
>> The dialog shown when you click File->Save As is the GUI dialog
>> provided by the toolkit (in your case, it seems like GTK+), and Emacs
>> has very little control on what it says, what it shows, and what are
>> the tooltips there.
>>
>> So I don't think this is an Emacs bug, if at all.
>>
>> Hmm -- I actually hadn't realized that. I guess I was put on the wrong footing
>> because a) the window is reported by xprop as 'Emacs', b) (as the GDK introspection
>> tool reveals) it has a '#emacs-dialog' css ID and c) it looks a bit different from
>> the regular file-manager windows on my system.
>>
>> Anyway, to be fair I didn't call it a bug, but an inconsistency -- though
>> admiitedly it isn't even that.
>> Or was I wrong to post it on THIS list, and is there a more appropriate list to
>> report such possible issues?
>
> This is the right list, but there's nothing we can do about the text
> in the GTK dialogs, and I very much doubt that GTK folks will change
> the text to match the Emacs nomenclature.
>
> So I think this is an inconsistency we will need to live with.
I'm therefore closing this bug report.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 00:03:27 +0200
>> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii wrote on 6/21/24 21:20:
>>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:03:00 +0200
>> From: morf <amorfortia@HIDDEN>
>>
>> However, when:
>>
>> [menubar] File > Save As
>> [Create] button
>> [tooltip] "Create Folder"
>> [popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
>> already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
>>
>> This is an inconsistency.
>> Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
>> for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
>>
>>
>> The dialog shown when you click File->Save As is the GUI dialog
>> provided by the toolkit (in your case, it seems like GTK+), and Emacs
>> has very little control on what it says, what it shows, and what are
>> the tooltips there.
>>
>> So I don't think this is an Emacs bug, if at all.
>>
>> Hmm -- I actually hadn't realized that. I guess I was put on the wrong footing
>> because a) the window is reported by xprop as 'Emacs', b) (as the GDK introspection
>> tool reveals) it has a '#emacs-dialog' css ID and c) it looks a bit different from
>> the regular file-manager windows on my system.
>>
>> Anyway, to be fair I didn't call it a bug, but an inconsistency -- though
>> admiitedly it isn't even that.
>> Or was I wrong to post it on THIS list, and is there a more appropriate list to
>> report such possible issues?
>
> This is the right list, but there's nothing we can do about the text
> in the GTK dialogs, and I very much doubt that GTK folks will change
> the text to match the Emacs nomenclature.
>
> So I think this is an inconsistency we will need to live with.
I'm therefore closing this bug report.
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GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-04-15
[menubar] File
or:
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File
... ...(menuitems)
"Open Directory"
...(more menuitems)
or:
C-x d
"Dired: (directory):"
Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since this is on Linux)
of the term "Directory".
However, when:
[menubar] File > Save As
[Create] button
[tooltip] "Create Folder"
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with that name
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)
This is an inconsistency.
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the tooltip, "Directory Name"
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists" for the message.
Bauke Jan Douma
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<font size="4" face="monospace">GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1,
x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0)
of 2024-04-15<br>
<br>
[menubar] File<br>
or:<br>
[minibuffer] menu-bar-open > File<br>
... ...(menuitems)<br>
"Open Directory"<br>
...(more menuitems)<br>
or:<br>
C-x d<br>
"Dired: (directory):"<br>
<br>
<br>
Clearly, there seems to be consistent and appropriate use (since
this is on Linux)<br>
of the term "Directory".<br>
<br>
However, when:<br>
<br>
[menubar] File > Save As<br>
[Create] button<br>
[tooltip] "Create Folder"<br>
[popup] "Folder Name" (as well as a message "A folder with
that name<br>
already exists" when typing in an existing directory name)<br>
<br>
<br>
This is an inconsistency.<br>
Since this is Linux, it should be "Create Directory" for the
tooltip, "Directory Name"<br>
for the popup, and "A directory with that name already exists"
for the message.<br>
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<br>
Bauke Jan Douma<br>
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