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Content preview: Simen =?UTF-8?Q?Endsj=C3=B8?= <simendsjo@HIDDEN> writes: > It was brought to my attention that blind people runs into problems installing > Guix System, while Debian and Arch have solved this better. > > The problem is outlined by the user k.g.roberts, ref [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=iyzsong%40envs.net;ip=2001%3A470%3A142%3A%3A17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 2.1 DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX Date: is 96 hours or more before Received: date 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -0.0 T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager Simen Endsj=C3=B8 <simendsjo@HIDDEN> writes: > It was brought to my attention that blind people runs into problems insta= lling > Guix System, while Debian and Arch have solved this better. > > The problem is outlined by the user k.g.roberts, ref > <https://im-in.space/@bubstance/110805249670354167>: > > The installer for Guix System 1.4.0 is basically the same as I reme= mber it from > a few years ago; boots almost immediately into an ncurses menu for = locale > selection and it takes another few screens to get to the option for= a shell. No > other assistive technologies built into the installer itself outsid= e of what=E2=80=99s > in the kernel, so a blind installation is doable over a remote conn= ection after > that point, but would likely be a hassle to get going without addit= ional help > from a sighted person. > > Dave Dude mention a solution, ref <https://4bear.com/@wx1g/11080649734373= 9940>: > > They=E2=80=99d need to add a console screen reader, like Fenrir or = ESpeakup to the > installation image, then have something to type, on the boot comman= d line, to > start the reader. Debian has done this, on its installation images = for a long > time. Arch now does something like this, too. Thanks for looking in= to this! > > I=E2=80=99m not the right person to do something like this, just thought = I should report > it in case it=E2=80=99s easy to fix. Hello, I CC this email to bug-guix to open an issue now. Thank you for the report!
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