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[GCD PATCH] 003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers: Submit.

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Hi,

I am missing any mention about the current etc/profile file inside of built
Guix profiles. Is it planned to also change the function of the search
paths in profiles?

Because for example currently it can happen that GIO_EXTRA_MODULES will
get set, because dconf is propagated into the profile, and this can
break, even on Guix system, the expected so files used. The home profile
packages can pick up the system so files and when the home profile
hasn't been rebuilt yet, you get crashing programs.
I think this means the env var needs to get effectively replaced
instead, or not set at all by the profile's etc/profile file.
This seems to be quite 'common' (after there start to be ABI
incompatibilities, it's common for users to go asking in the irc channel
about this) when libdconfsettings.so ends up in one of the search path folders.

1. After this change, are packages still going to respect the env var as
well, or will the ones patched and having etc/search-path.d just ignore them
completely? (replace v prepend)
And if they won't ignore them, how is this incompatibility
outlined higher going to be fixed, if anyhow?

1(b). What if user combines the profiles? For example, I will install
python and python-numpy to system profile, then python and
python-matplotlib to user profile. When I start python, which search
path is actually used? Currently both are as the env var is just merged,
but it doesn't seem to be possible to me with etc/search-paths.d (at
least unless the various search-paths.d folders are going to be in an
env var, but I think that would go against the motivation that env vars
shouldn't be 'leaking'. Although they wouldn't be leaking to childs
exactly, they would still be leaking from the profiles sourced.)

2. Is something going to happen to the search-paths / native-search-paths
functionality of the package records in regards to guix profiles? (in
other words will the generation of etc/profile file in guix profiles be
afected) And if so, how exactly? I can't seem to comprehend
it being removed completely as some build systems just won't have the
patches, at least yet, on the other hand how would it be distinguished
which ones should end up in the profile exports and which ones should
just end up in the search-paths.d files?

Apologies if I've just missed answers to these questions in the GCD
text or discussion.

Regards,
Rutherther

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Hi =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6,

First of all, apologies for not really contributing to the discussion
before.

My sentiment could be summarized as: I agree with the rationale, I like
the idea of storing search path metadata in package outputs, but I=E2=80=99m
concerned about the maintainability and viability of some aspects of the
proposal (see below).  I=E2=80=99ll send my deliberation in a separate mess=
age.

=E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN> skribis:

>   ld.so.cache
>   search-paths.d
>     GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
>     GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
>     GUIX_GTK4_PATH

I don=E2=80=99t think the =E2=80=9CGUIX_=E2=80=9D prefix is really justifie=
d in the proposal.

There=E2=80=99s a precedent, =E2=80=98GUIX_PYTHONPATH=E2=80=99, but I think=
 it does not follow
that this can be generalized to every search path environment variable.

For example, the XDG_ variables are honored by a lot of software, not
just GLib- or Qt-based software, and it=E2=80=99s unrealistic to patch them=
 all.
It=E2=80=99s also undesirable: generally speaking, we want to stay as close=
 to
upstream as possible so that documentation, tutorials, and scripts found
elsewhere also work on Guix.

> ## Find the location of the current executable
>
> To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
> we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
> provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which wor=
ks
> well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/ex=
e`
> would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
> we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:
>
>   - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
>   - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script

We won=E2=80=99t patch every interpreter out there, that=E2=80=99s not reas=
onable.

These two variables could also have unexpected consequences since an
attacker could override them to cause confusion.

> ## Implementation plan
>
> A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.
>
> - Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which retur=
ns a
>   search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
>   configuration file and an environment variable.
> - Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DI=
RS`,
>   `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
>   `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
> - Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
> - Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS=
`,
>   `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
>   `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`.
> - Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
> - Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.

I=E2=80=99m concerned about the cost of maintaining these patches.  Again, =
the
ld.so patch (for glibc) sets a precedent, but this part of glibc changes
relatively rarely, and it=E2=80=99s just one patch; what if we have to main=
tain
ten such patches in big and changing libraries like GLib and Qt?

Overall, I think I=E2=80=99d be reassured if we reduced the scope a little =
bit:
don=E2=80=99t insist on the =E2=80=9CGUIX_=E2=80=9D prefix, focus on GTK an=
d Qt applications.

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.

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Janneke Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@HIDDEN> writes:

> [...]
>> And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
>> we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternatively,
>> we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, but
>> that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
>> current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.
>
> Would this work with `guix pack' tarball archives, esp. think
> cross-built `guix pack' archives for MinGW?

I think this should work for `guix pack' when the target is a linux
system, MingGW won't work with '/proc/self/exe', but maybe we can find
something similiar.

I'll keep this in mind and do some tests later, thanks!

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Hello,

> # Detailed Design

[..]

> ## Find the location of the current executable
>
> To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
> we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
> provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which wor=
ks
> well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/ex=
e`
> would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
> we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:
>
>   - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
>   - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script
>
> And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE=
`,
> we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternativ=
ely,
> we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments,=
 but
> that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
> current working directory changed before we figure out the script file na=
me.

Would this work with `guix pack' tarball archives, esp. think
cross-built `guix pack' archives for MinGW?

Greetings,
Janneke

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Hello, Below is the final version of GCD for "Set search paths without
program wrappers", which means now this GCD start its deliberation
period (14 days), so team members please reply to
<76428 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> with opinions.  Thanks!


link: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git/p=
lain/004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
title: Set search paths without program wrappers
id: 004
status: submitted
discussion: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/76428
authors: =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
sponsors: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
date-submitted: 2025-02-21
date: 2025-02-21
SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later
---

# Summary

Currently program wrappers are widely used to set search paths via
environment variables.  Those wrappers have some problems:

  - environment variables leakage from a process to its child
    processes;
  - duplicate entries in environment variables;
  - obscured process names.

To address those problems, we propose a way to set search paths with
some per-output configuration files, reduce the need of creating
program wrappers.


# Motivation

To make sure programs work out-of-the-box rather then depend on some
external settings, Guix encourages the use of [program wrappers](https://gu=
ix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Build-Utilities.html#Wrappers)
when define packages.  In particular,  both `glib-or-gtk-build-system`
and `qt-build-system` includes a wrap phase to make program wrappers for ev=
ery
GNOME and KDE program.

Those wrappers have some unsolved issues:

- [Program crash due to leaked environment variables](https://issues.guix.g=
nu.org/63203)
- [Duplicate entries in various environment variables](https://issues.guix.=
gnu.org/23118)
- [Ansible & others' problems with wrapped '.ansible-real' scripts](https:/=
/issues.guix.gnu.org/26752)

If we managed to find a way to set search paths without using program
wappers, then programs will be more robust.


# Detailed Design

In addition to environment variables, some programs also allow to set search
paths via configuration files, for example you can use
[path configuration files](https://docs.python.org/3/library/site.html)
to set `sys.path` for Python, and we have a per-output [`ld.so.cache`](http=
s://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2021/taming-the-stat-storm-with-a-loader-cache/)
to load shared libraries efficiently.  Inspired by them, we are going to pa=
tch
some programs and libraries, so that when they build a search path from an
environment variable, would also honor a per-output search path configurati=
on
file.  The details are how to make those search path configuration files and
how to find them when an executable is running.

## Search path configuration files

We'll create search path configuration files under the `etc/search-path.d`
directory of each package output, with each file specify a search path.
The file name and its content are same to the corresponding environment
variable.  For example the output of the `gnome-console` package would have:

```
bin
  kgx
etc
  ld.so.cache
  search-paths.d
    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
lib
share
```

The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
```
/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/share:=
/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libadwai=
ta-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-console=
-44.4/share
```

Those search path configuration files would be created by the package build=
er,
after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possible.


## Find the location of the current executable

To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which works
well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/exe`
would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:

  - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
  - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script

And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternativel=
y,
we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, b=
ut
that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.


## Set search paths with configuration files from search-paths.d

Finally, when the program want to build a search path from an
environment variable, we patch the code to search its `search-paths.d`
first, the result search path value will include both the content of
the search path configuration file and the environment variable.  This
usually happens in C/C++ libraries like GLib, GTK and Qt with a
`getenv` call, we need patch these `getenv` calls for each search path
we care.


## Implementation plan

A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.

- Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which returns=
 a
  search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
  configuration file and an environment variable.
- Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS=
`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
  `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
- Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
- Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
  `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`.
- Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
- Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.


# The Cost Of Reverting

We can revert to program wrappers by manually adding wrap phases on a case =
by
case basic, if needed.


# Drawbacks or Open Questions

If implemented, we would likely carry several custom patches for GLib,
GTK, Qt, Python, etc. forever.


This proposal focuses solving problems caused by program wrappers in desktop
environments, namely GNOME and KDE.  Individual `wrap-progam` usages are not
addressed.  We plan to handle that in build systems later, for example:

  - Handle `GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH` and `GUIX_GDK_PIXBUF_MODULE_FILES` in
    `glib-or-gtk-build-system` without wrappers.
  - Handle `GUIX_PYTHONPATH` in `python-build-system` without wrappers.


There are still ABI problems caused by environment variables from
profiles, which may be addressed later as suggested by Maxime Devos in
<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203#5>.

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I support; it is needed and backwards-compatible as said on
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2025-02/msg00450.html>.

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Hello, Below is the final version of GCD for "Set search paths without
program wrappers", which means now this GCD start its deliberation
period (14 days), so team members please reply to
<76428 <at> debbugs.gnu.org> with opinions.  Thanks!


link: https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git/p=
lain/004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
title: Set search paths without program wrappers
id: 004
status: submitted
discussion: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/76428
authors: =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
sponsors: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
date-submitted: 2025-02-21
date: 2025-02-21
SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later
---

# Summary

Currently program wrappers are widely used to set search paths via
environment variables.  Those wrappers have some problems:

  - environment variables leakage from a process to its child
    processes;
  - duplicate entries in environment variables;
  - obscured process names.

To address those problems, we propose a way to set search paths with
some per-output configuration files, reduce the need of creating
program wrappers.


# Motivation

To make sure programs work out-of-the-box rather then depend on some
external settings, Guix encourages the use of [program wrappers](https://gu=
ix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Build-Utilities.html#Wrappers)
when define packages.  In particular,  both `glib-or-gtk-build-system`
and `qt-build-system` includes a wrap phase to make program wrappers for ev=
ery
GNOME and KDE program.

Those wrappers have some unsolved issues:

- [Program crash due to leaked environment variables](https://issues.guix.g=
nu.org/63203)
- [Duplicate entries in various environment variables](https://issues.guix.=
gnu.org/23118)
- [Ansible & others' problems with wrapped '.ansible-real' scripts](https:/=
/issues.guix.gnu.org/26752)

If we managed to find a way to set search paths without using program
wappers, then programs will be more robust.


# Detailed Design

In addition to environment variables, some programs also allow to set search
paths via configuration files, for example you can use
[path configuration files](https://docs.python.org/3/library/site.html)
to set `sys.path` for Python, and we have a per-output [`ld.so.cache`](http=
s://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2021/taming-the-stat-storm-with-a-loader-cache/)
to load shared libraries efficiently.  Inspired by them, we are going to pa=
tch
some programs and libraries, so that when they build a search path from an
environment variable, would also honor a per-output search path configurati=
on
file.  The details are how to make those search path configuration files and
how to find them when an executable is running.

## Search path configuration files

We'll create search path configuration files under the `etc/search-path.d`
directory of each package output, with each file specify a search path.
The file name and its content are same to the corresponding environment
variable.  For example the output of the `gnome-console` package would have:

```
bin
  kgx
etc
  ld.so.cache
  search-paths.d
    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
lib
share
```

The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
```
/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/share:=
/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libadwai=
ta-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-console=
-44.4/share
```

Those search path configuration files would be created by the package build=
er,
after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possible.


## Find the location of the current executable

To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which works
well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/exe`
would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:

  - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
  - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script

And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternativel=
y,
we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, b=
ut
that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.


## Set search paths with configuration files from search-paths.d

Finally, when the program want to build a search path from an
environment variable, we patch the code to search its `search-paths.d`
first, the result search path value will include both the content of
the search path configuration file and the environment variable.  This
usually happens in C/C++ libraries like GLib, GTK and Qt with a
`getenv` call, we need patch these `getenv` calls for each search path
we care.


## Implementation plan

A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.

- Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which returns=
 a
  search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
  configuration file and an environment variable.
- Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS=
`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
  `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
- Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
- Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
  `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`.
- Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
- Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.


# The Cost Of Reverting

We can revert to program wrappers by manually adding wrap phases on a case =
by
case basic, if needed.


# Drawbacks or Open Questions

If implemented, we would likely carry several custom patches for GLib,
GTK, Qt, Python, etc. forever.


This proposal focuses solving problems caused by program wrappers in desktop
environments, namely GNOME and KDE.  Individual `wrap-progam` usages are not
addressed.  We plan to handle that in build systems later, for example:

  - Handle `GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH` and `GUIX_GDK_PIXBUF_MODULE_FILES` in
    `glib-or-gtk-build-system` without wrappers.
  - Handle `GUIX_PYTHONPATH` in `python-build-system` without wrappers.


There are still ABI problems caused by environment variables from
profiles, which may be addressed later as suggested by Maxime Devos in
<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203#5>.

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Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

>> [...]
>> +Those search path configuration files would be created by the package b=
uilder,
>> +after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possib=
le.
>
> One thought came to mind.
>
> If we are going to provide that sort of metadata along side package
> build results, what about providing a =E2=80=98package=E2=80=99 sexp simi=
lar to those
> found in the =E2=80=98manifest=E2=80=99 file of profiles (see =E2=80=98ma=
nifest->gexp=E2=80=99), for
> example in =E2=80=98etc/guix/package=E2=80=99?

Okay, I guess that can be done in gnu-build-system.

>
> The sexp could provide info such as: the package name and version, its
> search paths, maybe its propagated inputs.
>
> This could have applications for things like =E2=80=98guix health=E2=80=
=99=C2=B9 and maybe
> even fixing <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/20255>.

That #20255 is already fixed, by 'guix package --search-paths' with
multiple profiles.

I think you mean <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/22138>:
  "Search paths of dependencies are not honored"

> But now I realize that the main drawback of this approach is that it
> would be too hard to parse that in GLib etc.

The sexp file and search-paths.d files could coexist, we can build the
latter from the former.


> So this is probably not a useful comment, but now we have it on record.

I see that a package level sexp metadata file would be useful, we could
do it indepent of this GCD.

Thanks.

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Hi =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6,

iyzsong@HIDDEN skribis:

> +etc
> +  ld.so.cache
> +  search-paths.d
> +    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
> +    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
> +    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
> +lib
> +share
> +```
> +
> +The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
> +```
> +/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/sha=
re:/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libad=
waita-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-cons=
ole-44.4/share
> +```
> +
> +Those search path configuration files would be created by the package bu=
ilder,
> +after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possibl=
e.

One thought came to mind.

If we are going to provide that sort of metadata along side package
build results, what about providing a =E2=80=98package=E2=80=99 sexp simila=
r to those
found in the =E2=80=98manifest=E2=80=99 file of profiles (see =E2=80=98mani=
fest->gexp=E2=80=99), for
example in =E2=80=98etc/guix/package=E2=80=99?

The sexp could provide info such as: the package name and version, its
search paths, maybe its propagated inputs.

This could have applications for things like =E2=80=98guix health=E2=80=99=
=C2=B9 and maybe
even fixing <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/20255>.

But now I realize that the main drawback of this approach is that it
would be too hard to parse that in GLib etc.

So this is probably not a useful comment, but now we have it on record.
:-)

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.

=C2=B9 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/31444

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Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> =E5=97=A8 =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6!
>
> More or less copy/pasting [1] what I wrote to Liliana about GCD 003.
>
> Now, the GCD=E2=80=99s submitted \o/, I recommend to push the two first
> revisions and then each new revision to a dedicated branch, say
> =E2=80=99wip-set-search-paths-without-program-wrapper=E2=80=99 directly t=
o the GCDs
> repository.

Done, thanks.


It now can be view from:

https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git/tree/00=
4-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md?h=3Dwip-set-search-paths-wit=
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> Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't understand what solution you propose.
>>
>> The GCD talks about setting some Env variable, like
>> `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE` (for Python).
>> What is happening then? Isn't there some code required for reading
>> the files in search-paths.d and set the variables
>> accordingly?
Add a small section to clarify where search-paths.d is used:

https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git/commit/=
004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md?h=3Dwip-set-search-paths-w=
ithout-program-wrappers&id=3D990d1a273018a2782666089de2c9878f02cfe6e6


The lastest version of this GCD can be viewed from:

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04-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md?h=3Dwip-set-search-paths-wi=
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Hope it helps, thanks.

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=E5=97=A8 =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6!

More or less copy/pasting [1] what I wrote to Liliana about GCD 003.

Now, the GCD=E2=80=99s submitted \o/, I recommend to push the two first
revisions and then each new revision to a dedicated branch, say
=E2=80=99wip-set-search-paths-without-program-wrapper=E2=80=99 directly to =
the GCDs
repository.

    https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git

You can take example from wip-default-branch-name. :-) At the end of the
process, this branch will be merged to =E2=80=99main=E2=80=99.

Why?  Based on the experience of 001, it can quickly become a mess. :-)

There is several revisions in different emails and all becomes harder
and harder to follow.  Do I read the last revision?  This one?  Ah no
there is this yet another email?  And that MUA screwed up the subject=E2=80=
=A6
Is it really the last revision?  etc.  Hard to follow; especially for
the ones who just want to read the last current revision.

Moreover, it=E2=80=99s more comfortable to read a plain file than a diff or=
 a
patch, IMHO.  For example, one specific revision of 001:

    https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-consensus-documents.git/tre=
e/0001-rfc-process.md?id=3D7da54b980efcd23ce662040b00712bd7fa76982e

(It perfectly works with Emacs browser EWW so it works for any
browser. ;-))

Last, having all the revisions in a dedicated branch allows to easily
diff between each revision.

So for the next revision, you could announce a link for the new revision
(for example of a link, the one above) in addition to the patch or plain
file.

My 2 cents. :-)

Cheers,
simon



1: [bug#76407] [GCD] A better name for the default branch
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Hi Guix, "GCD 004: Set search paths without program wrappers" was
submitted to address the issues of program wrappers.

Discuss via email in <76428 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>, thanks.


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title: Set search paths without program wrappers
id: 004
status: submitted
discussion: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/76428
authors: =E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
sponsors: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
date-submitted: 2025-02-21
date: 2025-02-21
SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later
---

# Summary

Currently program wrappers are widely used to set search paths via
environment variables.  Those wrappers have some problems:

  - environment variables leakage from a process to its child
    processes;
  - duplicate entries in environment variables;
  - obscured process names.

To address those problems, we propose a way to set search paths with
some per-output configuration files, reduce the need of creating
program wrappers.


# Motivation

To make sure programs work out-of-the-box rather then depend on some
external settings, Guix encourages the use of [program wrappers](https://gu=
ix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Build-Utilities.html#Wrappers)
when define packages.  In particular,  both `glib-or-gtk-build-system`
and `qt-build-system` includes a wrap phase to make program wrappers for ev=
ery
GNOME and KDE program.

Those wrappers have some unsolved issues:

- [Program crash due to leaked environment variables](https://issues.guix.g=
nu.org/63203)
- [Duplicate entries in various environment variables](https://issues.guix.=
gnu.org/23118)
- [Ansible & others' problems with wrapped '.ansible-real' scripts](https:/=
/issues.guix.gnu.org/26752)

If we managed to find a way to set search paths without using program
wappers, then programs will be more robust.


# Detailed Design

In addition to environment variables, some programs also allow to set search
paths via configuration files, for example you can use
[path configuration files](https://docs.python.org/3/library/site.html)
to set `sys.path` for Python, and we have a per-output [`ld.so.cache`](http=
s://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2021/taming-the-stat-storm-with-a-loader-cache/)
to load shared libraries efficiently.  Inspired by them, we are going to pa=
tch
some programs and libraries, so that when they build a search path from an
environment variable, would also honor a per-output search path configurati=
on
file.  The details are how to make those search path configuration files and
how to find them when an executable is running.

## Search path configuration files

We'll create search path configuration files under the `etc/search-path.d`
directory of each package output, with each file specify a search path.
The file name and its content are same to the corresponding environment
variable.  For example the output of the `gnome-console` package would have:

```
bin
  kgx
etc
  ld.so.cache
  search-paths.d
    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
lib
share
```

The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
```
/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/share:=
/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libadwai=
ta-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-console=
-44.4/share
```

Those search path configuration files would be created by the package build=
er,
after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possible.


## Find the location of the current executable

To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which works
well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/exe`
would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:

  - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
  - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script

And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternativel=
y,
we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, b=
ut
that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.


## Implementation plan

A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.

- Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which returns=
 a
  search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
  configuration file and an environment variable.
- Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS=
`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
  `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
- Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
- Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
  `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`, `GUIX_QTWEBENGINEPROCESS_PATH`.
- Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
- Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.


# The Cost Of Reverting

We can revert to program wrappers by manually adding wrap phases on a case =
by
case basic, if needed.


# Drawbacks or Open Questions

If implemented, we would likely carry several custom patches for GLib,
GTK, Qt, Python, etc. forever.


This proposal focuses solving problems caused by program wrappers in desktop
environments, namely GNOME and KDE.  Individual `wrap-progam` usages are not
addressed.  We plan to handle that in build systems later, for example:

  - Handle `GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH` and `GUIX_GDK_PIXBUF_MODULE_FILES` in
    `glib-or-gtk-build-system` without wrappers.
  - Handle `GUIX_PYTHONPATH` in `python-build-system` without wrappers.


There are still ABI problems caused by environment variables from
profiles, which may be addressed later as suggested by Maxime Devos in
<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203#5>.

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Simon Tournier <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 12:08, iyzsong@HIDDEN wrote:
>
>> * 003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md: New file.
>
> [...]
>
>> +id: 003
>
> Please consider that bug#76407 [1] is already 003.  Well, the numbering
> changes nothing at this point.  The final number of this GCD =E2=80=9CSet=
 search
> paths without program wrappers=E2=80=9D will be 004 though.
>
>
>> +SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-only
>
> I think this should be: GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later as GCD 001 and
> 000-template.md mentions it [2,3].
>
> Except if you specifically want to be =E2=80=9C-only=E2=80=9D instead. :-)
>

Updated in v2, thank you!

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From: 宋文武 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>

* 004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md: New file.
---
 ...t-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md | 146 ++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 146 insertions(+)
 create mode 100644 004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md

diff --git a/004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md b/004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..39fb473
--- /dev/null
+++ b/004-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
@@ -0,0 +1,146 @@
+title: Set search paths without program wrappers
+id: 004
+status: submitted
+discussion: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/76428
+authors: 宋文武 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
+sponsors: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
+date-submitted: 2025-02-20
+date: 2025-02-21
+SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later
+---
+
+# Summary
+
+Currently program wrappers are widely used to set search paths via
+environment variables.  Those wrappers have some problems:
+
+  - environment variables leakage from a process to its child
+    processes;
+  - duplicate entries in environment variables;
+  - obscured process names.
+
+To address those problems, we propose a way to set search paths with
+some per-output configuration files, reduce the need of creating
+program wrappers.
+
+
+# Motivation
+
+To make sure programs work out-of-the-box rather then depend on some
+external settings, Guix encourages the use of [program wrappers](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Build-Utilities.html#Wrappers)
+when define packages.  In particular,  both `glib-or-gtk-build-system`
+and `qt-build-system` includes a wrap phase to make program wrappers for every
+GNOME and KDE program.
+
+Those wrappers have some unsolved issues:
+
+- [Program crash due to leaked environment variables](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203)
+- [Duplicate entries in various environment variables](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/23118)
+- [Ansible & others' problems with wrapped '.ansible-real' scripts](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/26752)
+
+If we managed to find a way to set search paths without using program
+wappers, then programs will be more robust.
+
+
+# Detailed Design
+
+In addition to environment variables, some programs also allow to set search
+paths via configuration files, for example you can use
+[path configuration files](https://docs.python.org/3/library/site.html)
+to set `sys.path` for Python, and we have a per-output [`ld.so.cache`](https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2021/taming-the-stat-storm-with-a-loader-cache/)
+to load shared libraries efficiently.  Inspired by them, we are going to patch
+some programs and libraries, so that when they build a search path from an
+environment variable, would also honor a per-output search path configuration
+file.  The details are how to make those search path configuration files and
+how to find them when an executable is running.
+
+## Search path configuration files
+
+We'll create search path configuration files under the `etc/search-path.d`
+directory of each package output, with each file specify a search path.
+The file name and its content are same to the corresponding environment
+variable.  For example the output of the `gnome-console` package would have:
+
+```
+bin
+  kgx
+etc
+  ld.so.cache
+  search-paths.d
+    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
+    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
+    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
+lib
+share
+```
+
+The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
+```
+/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/share:/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libadwaita-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-console-44.4/share
+```
+
+Those search path configuration files would be created by the package builder,
+after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possible.
+
+
+## Find the location of the current executable
+
+To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
+we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
+provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which works
+well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/exe`
+would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
+we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:
+
+  - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
+  - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script
+
+And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
+we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternatively,
+we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, but
+that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
+current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.
+
+
+## Implementation plan
+
+A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.
+
+- Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which returns a
+  search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
+  configuration file and an environment variable.
+- Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
+  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
+  `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
+- Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
+- Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
+  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
+  `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`, `GUIX_QTWEBENGINEPROCESS_PATH`.
+- Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
+- Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
+
+
+# The Cost Of Reverting
+
+We can revert to program wrappers by manually adding wrap phases on a case by
+case basic, if needed.
+
+
+# Drawbacks or Open Questions
+
+If implemented, we would likely carry several custom patches for GLib,
+GTK, Qt, Python, etc. forever.
+
+
+This proposal focuses solving problems caused by program wrappers in desktop
+environments, namely GNOME and KDE.  Individual `wrap-progam` usages are not
+addressed.  We plan to handle that in build systems later, for example:
+
+  - Handle `GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH` and `GUIX_GDK_PIXBUF_MODULE_FILES` in
+    `glib-or-gtk-build-system` without wrappers.
+  - Handle `GUIX_PYTHONPATH` in `python-build-system` without wrappers.
+
+
+There are still ABI problems caused by environment variables from
+profiles, which may be addressed later as suggested by Maxime Devos in
+<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203#5>.
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Hi,

On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 12:08, iyzsong@HIDDEN wrote:

> * 003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md: New file.

[...]

> +id: 003

Please consider that bug#76407 [1] is already 003.  Well, the numbering
changes nothing at this point.  The final number of this GCD =E2=80=9CSet s=
earch
paths without program wrappers=E2=80=9D will be 004 though.


> +SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-only

I think this should be: GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-or-later as GCD 001 and
000-template.md mentions it [2,3].

Except if you specifically want to be =E2=80=9C-only=E2=80=9D instead. :-)

Cheers,
simon


1: [bug#76407] [GCD] A better name for the default branch
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From: 宋文武 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>

* 003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md: New file.
---
 ...t-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md | 146 ++++++++++++++++++
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 create mode 100644 003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md

diff --git a/003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md b/003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..1a75bcb
--- /dev/null
+++ b/003-set-search-paths-without-program-wrappers.md
@@ -0,0 +1,146 @@
+title: Set search paths without program wrappers
+id: 003
+status: submitted
+discussion: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/<number assigned by issue tracker>
+authors: 宋文武 <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
+sponsors: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
+date-submitted: 2025-02-20
+date: 2025-02-20
+SPDX-License-Identifier: CC-BY-SA-4.0 OR GFDL-1.3-no-invariants-only
+---
+
+# Summary
+
+Currently program wrappers are widely used to set search paths via
+environment variables.  Those wrappers have some problems:
+
+  - environment variables leakage from a process to its child
+    processes;
+  - duplicate entries in environment variables;
+  - obscured process names.
+
+To address those problems, we propose a way to set search paths with
+some per-output configuration files, reduce the need of creating
+program wrappers.
+
+
+# Motivation
+
+To make sure programs work out-of-the-box rather then depend on some
+external settings, Guix encourages the use of [program wrappers](https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Build-Utilities.html#Wrappers)
+when define packages.  In particular,  both `glib-or-gtk-build-system`
+and `qt-build-system` includes a wrap phase to make program wrappers for every
+GNOME and KDE program.
+
+Those wrappers have some unsolved issues:
+
+- [Program crash due to leaked environment variables](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203)
+- [Duplicate entries in various environment variables](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/23118)
+- [Ansible & others' problems with wrapped '.ansible-real' scripts](https://issues.guix.gnu.org/26752)
+
+If we managed to find a way to set search paths without using program
+wappers, then programs will be more robust.
+
+
+# Detailed Design
+
+In addition to environment variables, some programs also allow to set search
+paths via configuration files, for example you can use
+[path configuration files](https://docs.python.org/3/library/site.html)
+to set `sys.path` for Python, and we have a per-output [`ld.so.cache`](https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2021/taming-the-stat-storm-with-a-loader-cache/)
+to load shared libraries efficiently.  Inspired by them, we are going to patch
+some programs and libraries, so that when they build a search path from an
+environment variable, would also honor a per-output search path configuration
+file.  The details are how to make those search path configuration files and
+how to find them when an executable is running.
+
+## Search path configuration files
+
+We'll create search path configuration files under the `etc/search-path.d`
+directory of each package output, with each file specify a search path.
+The file name and its content are same to the corresponding environment
+variable.  For example the output of the `gnome-console` package would have:
+
+```
+bin
+  kgx
+etc
+  ld.so.cache
+  search-paths.d
+    GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS
+    GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES
+    GUIX_GTK4_PATH
+lib
+share
+```
+
+The content of its `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS` file would be:
+```
+/gnu/store/...-shared-mime-info-2.3/share:/gnu/store/...-glib-2.78.0/share:/gnu/store/...-gsettings-desktop-schemas-44.0/share:/gnu/store/...-libadwaita-1.5.2/share:/gnu/store/...-gtk-4.14.5/share:/gnu/store/...-gnome-console-44.4/share
+```
+
+Those search path configuration files would be created by the package builder,
+after the `install` phase, replace usages of `wrap-program` when possible.
+
+
+## Find the location of the current executable
+
+To find its search path configuration files when an executable is running,
+we can first find the location of the executable.  Conveniently, Linux
+provides a pseudo-file `/proc/self/exe` for this exact purpose, which works
+well for ELF executables.   But for an interpreter script, `/proc/self/exe`
+would return the file name of its interpreter instead of the script, so
+we patch interpreters to set 2 environment variables:
+
+  - `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`: absolute file name of the interpreter
+  - `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`: absolute file name of the script
+
+And when the executable's `/proc/self/exe` matches `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE`,
+we can get the script file name from `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.  Alternatively,
+we can try to construct the script file name from command line arguments, but
+that won't work when you run a script using a relative file name and its
+current working directory changed before we figure out the script file name.
+
+
+## Implementation plan
+
+A WIP implementation can be found in <https://issues.guix.gnu.org/75688>.
+
+- Add a new function `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` to GLib, which returns a
+  search path as a list of file or directory names from a search path
+  configuration file and an environment variable.
+- Patch GLib to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
+  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_GIO_EXTRA_MODULES` and
+  `GUIX_GSETTINGS_SCHEMA_DIR`.
+- Patch Python to set `GUIX_INTERPRETER_FILE` and `GUIX_MAIN_SCRIPT_FILE`.
+- Patch Qt to use `g_guix_build_search_path_dirs` for `GUIX_XDG_DATA_DIRS`,
+  `GUIX_XDG_CONFIG_DIRS`, `GUIX_QT_PLUGIN_PATH`, `GUIX_QML_IMPORT_PATH`,
+  `GUIX_QML2_IMPORT_PATH`, `GUIX_QTWEBENGINEPROCESS_PATH`.
+- Modify `glib-or-gtk-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
+- Modify `qt-build-system` to get rid of `wrap-program`.
+
+
+# The Cost Of Reverting
+
+We can revert to program wrappers by manually adding wrap phases on a case by
+case basic, if needed.
+
+
+# Drawbacks or Open Questions
+
+If implemented, we would likely carry several custom patches for GLib,
+GTK, Qt, Python, etc. forever.
+
+
+This proposal focuses solving problems caused by program wrappers in desktop
+environments, namely GNOME and KDE.  Individual `wrap-progam` usages are not
+addressed.  We plan to handle that in build systems later, for example:
+
+  - Handle `GUIX_GI_TYPELIB_PATH` and `GUIX_GDK_PIXBUF_MODULE_FILES` in
+    `glib-or-gtk-build-system` without wrappers.
+  - Handle `GUIX_PYTHONPATH` in `python-build-system` without wrappers.
+
+
+There are still ABI problems caused by environment variables from
+profiles, which may be addressed later as suggested by Maxime Devos in
+<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/63203#5>.
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