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Here's an implementation for that idea, together with .texi and NEWS 
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> Here's an implementation for that idea, together with .texi and NEWS
> changes.
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> Comments welcome!

Maybe there's a typo, see below.

> diff --git a/doc/emacs/dired.texi b/doc/emacs/dired.texi
> index 07142e71713..5fc0c3b4a52 100644
> --- a/doc/emacs/dired.texi
> +++ b/doc/emacs/dired.texi
> @@ -1860,8 +1860,9 @@ Misc Dired Features
>  you had killed them with @kbd{C-w}.  The names are separated by a
>  space.
>=20=20
> -  With a zero prefix argument, this uses the absolute file name of
> -each marked file.  With just @kbd{C-u} as the prefix argument, it uses
> +  With a zero prefix argument, this uses the absolute file name of each
> +marked file.  With prefix value, it uses names relative to the current
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Did you mean, "With prefix value 1?"

> +project root.  With just @kbd{C-u} as the prefix argument, it uses
>  file names relative to the Dired buffer's default directory.  (This
>  can still contain slashes if in a subdirectory.)  As a special case,
>  if point is on a directory header line, @kbd{w} gives you the absolute

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> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 00:39:02 +0200
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN>
> 
> -  With a zero prefix argument, this uses the absolute file name of
> -each marked file.  With just @kbd{C-u} as the prefix argument, it uses
> +  With a zero prefix argument, this uses the absolute file name of each
> +marked file.  With prefix value, it uses names relative to the current
> +project root.  With just @kbd{C-u} as the prefix argument, it uses
>  file names relative to the Dired buffer's default directory.  (This

Using 1 as the prefix arg which means files are relative to project
root seems inconsistent with the meaning of zero argument.  So I would
suggest to use "C-u C-u" for the new meaning.  It is not harder to
type, and it is more mentally similar to "just C-u".

> +*** 'dired-copy-filename-as-kill' supports project-relative names.
> +With a new value of the prefix argument (1), this command copies file

Suggest to reword:

 When invoked with the prefix argument of 1, this command ...

(But if you agree to switch to "C-u C-u", this will need to be phrased
differently.)

Thanks.

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> Here's an implementation for that idea, together with .texi and NEWS
> changes.
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> Comments welcome!

I wanted to suggest 'C-x p f M-n' in Dired to get the default value
based on the current Dired file, just to copy it and cancel with 'C-g',
and maybe this still could be added as well.  But definitely '1 w'
or even 'C-u C-u w' is a more convenient way to get a file name
relative to the project root, thanks.

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On 07/03/2025 09:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Using 1 as the prefix arg which means files are relative to project
> root seems inconsistent with the meaning of zero argument.

Is it really? We have 0 which means "absolute name" and we have 'C-u' 
(which often translates to 4) which means "only base name".

The project-relative name sits somewhere in the middle (when judging by 
length, for example) so 1 seems fitting.

> So I would
> suggest to use "C-u C-u" for the new meaning.  It is not harder to
> type, and it is more mentally similar to "just C-u".

I could agree to 'C-u C-u' as well, but it does seem like a longer 
sequence requiring two hands (while '1' sits very close to 'w' and would 
be typed with one hand). Semantically as well the new behavior doesn't 
seem like an advanced version of the current 'C-u' behavior.

But if the majority prefers 'C-u C-u', I won't argue.

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On 07/03/2025 07:13, Visuwesh wrote:
> Did you mean, "With prefix value 1?"

Yep, thanks!

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Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> writes:

> On 07/03/2025 09:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Using 1 as the prefix arg which means files are relative to project
>> root seems inconsistent with the meaning of zero argument.
>
> Is it really? We have 0 which means "absolute name" and we have 'C-u'
> (which often translates to 4) which means "only base name".
>
> The project-relative name sits somewhere in the middle (when judging by
> length, for example) so 1 seems fitting.
>
>> So I would
>> suggest to use "C-u C-u" for the new meaning.  It is not harder to
>> type, and it is more mentally similar to "just C-u".
>
> I could agree to 'C-u C-u' as well, but it does seem like a longer
> sequence requiring two hands (while '1' sits very close to 'w' and would
> be typed with one hand).

FWIW, on some keyboard layouts, e.g. Dvorak which I have here, this
doesn't hold.  :-)

> Semantically as well the new behavior doesn't
> seem like an advanced version of the current 'C-u' behavior.
>
> But if the majority prefers 'C-u C-u', I won't argue.

Hmm, `dired-copy-filename-as-kill` with prefix 1 copies one file, with
prefix 2 copies two, with 3 copies three, and so on.

Do we care to keep this behavior?

If so, I think 1 is the only prefix left that makes sense.  That gives
us:

    0   copy absolute file name
    1   copy project file name
    2   copy 2 files
    ...
    7   copy 7 files
    8   copy 8 files
    9   copy 9 files

With C-u C-u, we get this instead:

    0   copy absolute file name
    1   copy 1 file [ NB. same as with no prefix ]
    2   copy 2 files
    ...
    7   copy 7 files
    8   copy project file name
    9   copy 9 files

That means we have no way of copying 8 file names, I think, and two ways
to copy just 1.

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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:

> That means we have no way of copying 8 file names, I think, and two ways
> to copy just 1.

Actually, scratch that.  The above is wrong, I got confused.

Sorry for the noise.

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On 07/03/2025 18:20, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
>> On 07/03/2025 09:06, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> Using 1 as the prefix arg which means files are relative to project
>>> root seems inconsistent with the meaning of zero argument.
>>
>> Is it really? We have 0 which means "absolute name" and we have 'C-u'
>> (which often translates to 4) which means "only base name".
>>
>> The project-relative name sits somewhere in the middle (when judging by
>> length, for example) so 1 seems fitting.
>>
>>> So I would
>>> suggest to use "C-u C-u" for the new meaning.  It is not harder to
>>> type, and it is more mentally similar to "just C-u".
>>
>> I could agree to 'C-u C-u' as well, but it does seem like a longer
>> sequence requiring two hands (while '1' sits very close to 'w' and would
>> be typed with one hand).
> 
> FWIW, on some keyboard layouts, e.g. Dvorak which I have here, this
> doesn't hold.  :-)

True, and anyway I think semantic fit is more important.

>> Semantically as well the new behavior doesn't
>> seem like an advanced version of the current 'C-u' behavior.
>>
>> But if the majority prefers 'C-u C-u', I won't argue.
> 
> Hmm, `dired-copy-filename-as-kill` with prefix 1 copies one file, with
> prefix 2 copies two, with 3 copies three, and so on.
> 
> Do we care to keep this behavior?

I actually wasn't aware of this one.

Like you concluded, it would still be supported, except for value ARG=1. 
We have reserved ARG=0 for a different behavior already, so it seems 
that ARG is not suitable for programmatic calculation anyway.

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