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Subject: Re: bug#76812: vestigial elisp manual descriptions of obsolete
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>> Would it make sense we say something about what those "unusual
>> configurations" are?
IIRC the only known cases where the `mouse-4/5` are still used instead
of `wheel-up/down` is when the users set `mouse-wheel-buttons` to nil,
presumably in order to work around a problem in a package which has not
yet been updated to pay attention to wheel-up/down.
Of course, there may also be packages out there doing things similar to
`xterm-mouse-mode` and which still generate `mouse-4/5` events, tho
I haven't heard of such packages.
> I think so. The current situation is sort of odd, in that the variables are
> both obsoleted (conveying: do not use in new code), and also apparently
> required for use in new portable code. Does that suggest they were
> obsoleted prematurely, if they are still required on some systems?
Yeah, I would be fine with just removing mention of those variables.
Stefan
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On other systems, other events like = =E2=80=98mouse-4=E2=80=99 >>>>> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 are used instead. Portable code = should handle both >>>>> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 = events as well as the events specified >>>>> in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and >>>>> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in = =E2=80=98mwheel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for >>>>> historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 = is the variable >>>>> that holds an event that should be handled similarly to >>>>> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa. >>>=20 >>> Stefan, WDYT? >>=20 >> To the extent that there are still cases where mouse-4/5 is used, >> I guess we can keep that almost unchanged, except to adjust the = wording >> to indicate what is more normal. E.g.: >>=20 >> The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 = events are generated on most systems. >> But in some unusual configurations, other events like = =E2=80=98mouse-4=E2=80=99 >> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 may still be used instead. Portable = code that wants >> to accommodate those cases should handle both >> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events = as well as the events specified >> in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and >> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in = =E2=80=98mwheel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for >> historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is = the variable >> that holds an event that should be handled similarly to >> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa. >>=20 >> ? >=20 > Would it make sense we say something about what those "unusual > configurations" are? I think so. The current situation is sort of odd, in that the variables = are both obsoleted (conveying: do not use in new code), and also = apparently required for use in new portable code. Does that suggest = they were obsoleted prematurely, if they are still required on some = systems? --Apple-Mail=_B48C569A-98C2-4A4B-B8C3-72DF2BE357A3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 7, 2025, at 12:22=E2=80=AFPM, Stefan Kangas = <stefankangas@HIDDEN> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset=3D"UTF-8"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">Stefan Monnier <</span><a = href=3D"mailto:monnier@HIDDEN" style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: = 0px;">monnier@HIDDEN</a><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, = 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">> = writes:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: = normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; = text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"><blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; = font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: = start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; = widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">The following paragraph in the elisp manual section = "Miscellaneous System<br>Events" describes blinding events based on the = now obsolete variables<br>`mouse-wheel-down-event', = etc.:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"> The = =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events are = generated only on some<br> kinds of systems. = On other systems, other events like = =E2=80=98mouse-4=E2=80=99<br> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2= =80=99 are used instead. Portable code should handle = both<br> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and = =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events as well as the events = specified<br> in the variables = =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 = and<br> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, = defined in =E2=80=98mwheel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that = for<br> historical reasons the = =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is the = variable<br> that holds an event that should be = handled similarly to<br> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80= =99 and vice versa.<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>Stefan, = WDYT?<br></blockquote><br>To the extent that there are still cases where = mouse-4/5 is used,<br>I guess we can keep that almost unchanged, except = to adjust the wording<br>to indicate what is more normal. = E.g.:<br><br> The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and = =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events are generated on most = systems.<br> But in some unusual configurations, other = events like =E2=80=98mouse-4=E2=80=99<br> and = =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 may still be used instead. Portable code = that wants<br> to accommodate those cases should handle = both<br> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and = =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events as well as the events = specified<br> in the variables = =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 = and<br> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, = defined in =E2=80=98mwheel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that = for<br> historical reasons the = =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is the = variable<br> that holds an event that should be handled = similarly to<br> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and = vice versa.<br><br>?<br></blockquote><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, = 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none;"><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; = font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; = text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: = normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; = text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Would = it make sense we say something about what those "unusual</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; = display: inline !important;">configurations" are?</span><br = style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; = letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; = text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: = none;"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think so. The = current situation is sort of odd, in that the variables are both = obsoleted (conveying: do not use in new code), and also apparently = required for use in new portable code. Does that suggest they were = obsoleted prematurely, if they are still required on some = systems?</div></div><br></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_B48C569A-98C2-4A4B-B8C3-72DF2BE357A3--
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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76812 Cc: 76812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, JD Smith <jdtsmith@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes: >>> The following paragraph in the elisp manual section "Miscellaneous Syst= em >>> Events" describes blinding events based on the now obsolete variables >>> `mouse-wheel-down-event', etc.: >>> >>>> The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 e= vents are generated only on some >>>> kinds of systems. On other systems, other events like =E2=80=98m= ouse-4=E2=80=99 >>>> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 are used instead. Portable code sh= ould handle both >>>> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 event= s as well as the events specified >>>> in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and >>>> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in =E2=80=98mwh= eel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for >>>> historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 i= s the variable >>>> that holds an event that should be handled similarly to >>>> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa. >> >> Stefan, WDYT? > > To the extent that there are still cases where mouse-4/5 is used, > I guess we can keep that almost unchanged, except to adjust the wording > to indicate what is more normal. E.g.: > > The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 event= s are generated on most systems. > But in some unusual configurations, other events like =E2=80=98mouse-= 4=E2=80=99 > and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 may still be used instead. Portable co= de that wants > to accommodate those cases should handle both > =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events as= well as the events specified > in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and > =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in =E2=80=98mwheel.= el=E2=80=99. Beware that for > historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is th= e variable > that holds an event that should be handled similarly to > =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa. > > ? Would it make sense we say something about what those "unusual configurations" are? For example, are they "user configurations", "old versions of Emacs", "Haiku systems" (I'm just guessing here), or something else?
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>> The following paragraph in the elisp manual section "Miscellaneous System
>> Events" describes blinding events based on the now obsolete variables
>> `mouse-wheel-down-event', etc.:
>>
>>> The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 ev=
ents are generated only on some
>>> kinds of systems. On other systems, other events like =E2=80=98mo=
use-4=E2=80=99
>>> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 are used instead. Portable code sho=
uld handle both
>>> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events=
as well as the events specified
>>> in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and
>>> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in =E2=80=98mwhe=
el.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for
>>> historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is=
the variable
>>> that holds an event that should be handled similarly to
>>> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa.
>
> Stefan, WDYT?
To the extent that there are still cases where mouse-4/5 is used,
I guess we can keep that almost unchanged, except to adjust the wording
to indicate what is more normal. E.g.:
The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events =
are generated on most systems.
But in some unusual configurations, other events like =E2=80=98mouse-4=
=E2=80=99
and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 may still be used instead. Portable code=
that wants
to accommodate those cases should handle both
=E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events as w=
ell as the events specified
in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and
=E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in =E2=80=98mwheel.el=
=E2=80=99. Beware that for
historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is the =
variable
that holds an event that should be handled similarly to
=E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa.
?
Stefan
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On other systems, other events like =E2=80=98mou= se-4=E2=80=99 >> and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 are used instead. Portable code shou= ld handle both >> =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 events = as well as the events specified >> in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and >> =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in =E2=80=98mwhee= l.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for >> historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 is = the variable >> that holds an event that should be handled similarly to >> =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa. Stefan, WDYT?
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[24.53.185.196]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-6e8f715b52csm19550586d6.71.2025.03.07.05.49.08 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 07 Mar 2025 05:49:09 -0800 (PST) From: JD Smith <jdtsmith@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.400.131.1.6\)) Subject: vestigial elisp manual descriptions of obsolete variables mouse-wheel-up/down-event Message-Id: <6E1961D7-45C9-4635-9122-5329B6988D17@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:48:58 -0500 To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.400.131.1.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2e; envelope-from=jdtsmith@HIDDEN; helo=mail-qv1-xf2e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) The following paragraph in the elisp manual section "Miscellaneous = System Events" describes blinding events based on the now obsolete = variables `mouse-wheel-down-event', etc.: > The =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 = events are generated only on some > kinds of systems. On other systems, other events like = =E2=80=98mouse-4=E2=80=99 > and =E2=80=98mouse-5=E2=80=99 are used instead. Portable code = should handle both > =E2=80=98wheel-up=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98wheel-down=E2=80=99 = events as well as the events specified > in the variables =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-up-event=E2=80=99 and > =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-down-event=E2=80=99, defined in = =E2=80=98mwheel.el=E2=80=99. Beware that for > historical reasons the =E2=80=98mouse-wheel-_up_-event=E2=80=99 = is the variable > that holds an event that should be handled similarly to > =E2=80=98wheel-_down_=E2=80=99 and vice versa.
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