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The Emacs manual suggests that the GNU Coding Standards may be available
locally as an Info manual.
This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference.

It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or
otherwise for master.

Any comments please let me know.

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From 39bd138d5d9fa82649300d2eaa0a6ec42cb73626 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Jeremy Bryant <jb@HIDDEN>
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:25:03 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual
 reference

---
 doc/emacs/trouble.texi | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi
index 2211369b121..dade3e58bf3 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi
@@ -1496,7 +1496,7 @@ Coding Standards
 
 Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards
 @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}.  This may also be available
-in info on your system.
+in info on your system.  @pxref{Top,,, standards, GNU Coding Standards}
 
 If it doesn't, we'll need to find someone to fix the code before we
 can use it.
-- 
2.47.2


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Jeremy Bryant via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:

> The Emacs manual suggests that the GNU Coding Standards may be available
> locally as an Info manual.
> This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference.
>
> It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or
> otherwise for master.
>
> Any comments please let me know.

I would guess that the reason why there is no reference is that most
GNU/Linux distributions do not distribute this Info manual, or at least
they don'tt by default or with commonly installed packages.

It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK.

I have no opinion on adding such a reference now.  Eli, WDYT?

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> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:25:37 -0700
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> 
> Jeremy Bryant via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
> text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > The Emacs manual suggests that the GNU Coding Standards may be available
> > locally as an Info manual.
> > This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference.
> >
> > It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or
> > otherwise for master.
> >
> > Any comments please let me know.
> 
> I would guess that the reason why there is no reference is that most
> GNU/Linux distributions do not distribute this Info manual, or at least
> they don'tt by default or with commonly installed packages.
> 
> It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK.
> 
> I have no opinion on adding such a reference now.  Eli, WDYT?

We have there a reference to the manual in HTML, isn't that enough?
In any case, having a URL and then a cross-reference to the Info
manuals in the next sentence sounds strange to me.  At the very least,
we should have there text saying that the manual can be either read
on-line in HTML format (with the URL), or locally in Info (with a Info
reference), to explain why we have both.

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