Received: (at 72023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2024 05:58:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 10 01:58:19 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34670 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1snttK-0006Eo-T7 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 01:58:19 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:39097) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stephane@HIDDEN>) id 1snttJ-0006Eb-CQ for 72023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 01:58:18 -0400 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D6681C0002 for <72023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 05:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 06:57:45 +0100 From: Stephane Chazelas <stephane@HIDDEN> To: 72023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#72023: feature request for date(1): strptime-style format Message-ID: <20240910055745.kputhg4rxxunzspz@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-GND-Sasl: stephane@HIDDEN X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72023 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) I agree strptime()-style input format specification is badly missing in GNU date. Most other implementations support it: - BSD with -f since 1997 (on FreeBSD at least; see also -v for adjustments) - ast-open's with -p since 2004 (also via standard getdate() DATEMSK) - busybox' with -D since 2006 - toybox' with -D since 2014 It's a regular occurrence on usenet or unix.stackexchange.com to see it mentioned that if you need to parse arbitrary date formats, you need to switch to another date implementation or use shell builtin facilities such as zsh's strftime builtin or ksh93's printf %T or resort to perl/ruby/python... Assaf Gordon did propose a patch in https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2019-07/msg00053.html Both -p and -D are unassigned ATM AFAICT so could be used here. busybox and toybox mostly copied the GNU API, so it would make sense for GNU date to use -D for that so they don't become misaligned. While strptime() is not perfect, it's still better IMO than having to rely on the current -d behaviour which mostly accepts only US-English time specs and whose rules to parse times are not crystal clear. -- Stephane
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#72023; Package coreutils.
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#72023; Package coreutils.
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#72023; Package coreutils.
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#72023; Package coreutils.
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bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:bug#72023; Package coreutils.
Full text available.Received: (at 72023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2024 10:45:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 10 06:45:17 2024 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1sRUp3-0001QK-80 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 06:45:17 -0400 Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.66]:59104) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1sRUp1-00013c-NB for 72023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 06:45:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809153C00E414; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10032) with ESMTP id qof3bWPZ4mf1; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76903C00E420; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail.cs.ucla.edu D76903C00E420 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cs.ucla.edu; s=9D0B346E-2AEB-11ED-9476-E14B719DCE6C; t=1720608301; bh=iNa20bSqXqj0DOJWPTuEXoI5LvuwstP+r3zbWp7fbFc=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From; b=HbD7Bgt2kzbNZCm+XCKGzGqz/p5u9TGeQl2ofJqYg228JVU29PIep4XrFgn7+IhSp JzYQEKgmPefTEquzUdBzi2yi9kCnfugmngyQ1eE9NwsTvW5TSekzIWQoTJPhIKe7zF 3uZKx4Vb3D8x+Y58k5JjdvnM909vDzHzMzApEEnjvMLSVkya42KHlONC0BRd9D8twe 8igU8Xp3K7qvP9StDCLK8YXtAksy3XNqDM5b5TGD5iA8/ayOev5g9yxxI/h3j7PFSm Bccrd53ArikxGAyoEF1uVfaoxoUVdnJjiJsN+p6rbEK9xgXv0KdpRN8eFa7l7LQinr Zh+Ts9Z/xPpgA== X-Virus-Scanned: amavis at mail.cs.ucla.edu Received: from mail.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavis, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9g1w2kq9fXdt; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (i15-les02-ntr-176-181-187-105.sfr.lns.abo.bbox.fr [176.181.187.105]) by mail.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 278EA3C00E414; Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <24aef099-3224-417a-b0ee-06fea7ae0540@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 12:44:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: bug#72023: feature request for date(1): strptime-style format string when you don't want date to guess To: mark.yagnatinsky@HIDDEN, 72023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <CH3PR12MB7619C3466E47EAB1ED99D80CF9DB2@HIDDEN> Content-Language: en-US From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CH3PR12MB7619C3466E47EAB1ED99D80CF9DB2@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72023 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I'm dubious. I've never had much luck with strptime, as in practice it has its own glitches that are even worse than what 'date' currently uses. For example, it's dicey in non-C locales, and it mishandles time zones and daylight saving transitions even in the C locale. That being said, if someone can write the code and documentation and test cases it might be a good thing to have - particularly if some other 'date' implementation is already doing that sort of thing and people have had good experience with it.
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I suspect this has been requested many times over the decades but I haven=
't found anything in the issue tracker so...
The date command lets you choose my output format, but for input it tries=
=20to figure it out without hints. For interactive use, this is great.
For usage in scripts, this is less than ideal, because that means you nee=
d to understand the heuristics to have confidence that your script will d=
o what you want.
For instance, this page:
https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/Pure-numbers-in-d=
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says that "If the decimal number is of the form yyyymmdd [...] yyyy is re=
ad as the year"
I stared at that sentence for a bit in confusion, thinking to myself "but=
=20how could it possibly KNOW that the number is of the form yyyymmdd??"
I finally realized that what it's really saying is that "if the number is=
=20exactly 8 digits long, we ASSUME that the first four digits are the ye=
ar".
Thus, if you have an 8-digit number that you want to interpret differentl=
y then you should massage it before passing it to date.
As it happens, I have an 8 digit number, and indeed the built-in assumpti=
ons happen to be a perfect fit for me.
But I still don't like to rely on them if I don't have to, and would rath=
er just tell it what I already know, instead of forcing date(1) to re-der=
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Thoughts?
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect this has been requested many times over =
the decades but I haven’t found anything in the issue tracker so=
230;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The date command lets you choose my output format,=
=20but for input it tries to figure it out without hints. For inter=
active use, this is great.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For usage in scripts, this is less than ideal, bec=
ause that means you need to understand the heuristics to have confidence =
that your script will do what you want.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For instance, this page:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/=
manual/html_node/Pure-numbers-in-date-strings.html">https://www.gnu.org/s=
oftware/coreutils/manual/html_node/Pure-numbers-in-date-strings.html</a><=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">says that “If the decimal number is of the f=
orm yyyymmdd […] yyyy is read as the year”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I stared at that sentence for a bit in confusion, =
thinking to myself “but how could it possibly KNOW that the number =
is of the form yyyymmdd??”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I finally realized that what it’s really say=
ing is that “if the number is exactly 8 digits long, we ASSUME that=
=20the first four digits are the year”.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thus, if you have an 8-digit number that you want =
to interpret differently then you should massage it before passing it to =
date.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">As it happens, I have an 8 digit number, and indee=
d the built-in assumptions happen to be a perfect fit for me.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I still don’t like to rely on them if I =
don’t have to, and would rather just tell it what I already know, i=
nstead of forcing date(1) to re-derive it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Mark.<o:p></o:p></p>
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