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Subject: Re: bug#77012: Documentation problem: odd characters in ASCII text
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Thanks for the further investigation. I solved the problem for grep by
installing the following patch, and am closing the bug report.
https://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/grep/grep/.htaccess?r1=1.1&r2=1.2
Presumably GNU project web pages should routinely have .htaccess files
that say something like this:
<Files "*.txt">
AddDefaultCharset utf-8
ForceType text/plain
</Files>
as the old Windows-1252 default no longer makes sense. I'll take a look
at doing this for the projects I help maintain.
Alternatively (and more efficiently) this could be addressed by changing
the Apache configuration on Savannah; however, I lack admin access for that.
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On 2025-03-14 02:22, Giacomo De Bello wrote:
> Greetings, the manual file in ASCII text format is filled with odd characters, and maybe this is a character conversion problem during the file generation.
> In example, you can see the problem in the third line of the plain text manual online
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/grep/manual/grep.txt
Unfortunately the Savannah web server responds with a header that lacks
the line "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8", needed because this
file uses UTF-8 encoding, not ASCII.
I attempted to fix the server bug by adding an .htaccess file like this:
<Files ".txt">
AddDefaultCharset utf-8
ForceType text/plain
</Files>
at grep's root, but no dice.
Although possibly I messed up the CVS commit (I never remember how to
use CVS any more), Savannah is reeeeallly slow right now and I'm getting
a "502 Bad Gateway" when I try to visit, for example,
<http://web.cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/grep/> to try to debug this. So
I'll cc this email to savannah-hackers to see whether they can fix the
UTF-8 issue for me.
Thanks for the reporting the problem.
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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-7719-20-msonline-outlook-43ca8.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AS8P194MB0984.EURP194.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 145edacb-1673-4f56-613e-08dd62d9ba76 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Mar 2025 09:22:23.1961 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DB8P194MB0760 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:111:f403:2e0c::823; envelope-from=giacomodebello@HIDDEN; helo=EUR03-VI1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Mar 2025 10:01:37 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Greetings, the manual file in ASCII text format is filled with odd characte= rs, and maybe this is a character conversion problem during the file genera= tion.=0A= In example, you can see the problem in the third line of the plain text man= ual online=0A= =0A= https://www.gnu.org/software/grep/manual/grep.txt=0A= =0A= I quote:=0A= =0A= 2 Invoking =E2=80=98grep=E2=80=99=0A= =0A= It should be=0A= =0A= 2 Invoking grep=0A= =0A= or=0A= =0A= 2 Invoking 'grep'=0A= =0A= or something else. As far as I can see, the HTML format of the manual has t= he word "grep" between <code> tags, and I guess the problem is or was somew= hat related to that, in docbook2txt or gendocs.sh; I said "was" because may= be just relaunching gendocs.sh will fix that, as the document was last upda= ted May 13, 2023. Regards.=
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