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Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.

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> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:23:24 +0100 (BST)
> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN>
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> Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.

Thanks.

Could someone who uses macOS please review this?

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On 5 April 2025 10:53:52 BST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> wrote:
>> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:23:24 +0100 (BST)
>> From: Peter Oliver <p=2Ed=2Eoliver@mavit=2Eorg=2Euk>
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>> Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs=2Emetainfo=2Exml=2E
>
>Could someone who uses macOS please review this?


This is a freedesktop=2Eorg file format (https://www=2Efreedesktop=2Eorg/s=
oftware/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-About=2Ehtml#about-whatis)=2E  Unless=
 I'm missing something, I don't think it relates to macOS=2E

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> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:50:22 +0100
> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN>
> CC: 77492 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> On 5 April 2025 10:53:52 BST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> >> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:23:24 +0100 (BST)
> >> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN>
> >> 
> >> Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.
> >
> >Could someone who uses macOS please review this?
> 
> 
> This is a freedesktop.org file format (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-About.html#about-whatis).  Unless I'm missing something, I don't think it relates to macOS.

OK, then my request is for users of Freedesktop environments.

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Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.

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> Cc: 77492 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 19:13:22 +0300
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> > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:50:22 +0100
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> > CC: 77492 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > On 5 April 2025 10:53:52 BST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:23:24 +0100 (BST)
> > >> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN>
> > >> 
> > >> Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.
> > >
> > >Could someone who uses macOS please review this?
> > 
> > 
> > This is a freedesktop.org file format (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-About.html#about-whatis).  Unless I'm missing something, I don't think it relates to macOS.
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> OK, then my request is for users of Freedesktop environments.

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> Cc: 77492 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 19:13:22 +0300
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> 
> > Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2025 16:50:22 +0100
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> > On 5 April 2025 10:53:52 BST, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
> > >> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 15:23:24 +0100 (BST)
> > >> From: Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN>
> > >> 
> > >> Attached are three patches related to etc/emacs.metainfo.xml.
> > >
> > >Could someone who uses macOS please review this?
> > 
> > 
> > This is a freedesktop.org file format (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-AppStream-About.html#about-whatis).  Unless I'm missing something, I don't think it relates to macOS.
> 
> OK, then my request is for users of Freedesktop environments.

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> + <!-- https://hughsie.github.io/oars/generate.html -->
> + <content_rating type="oars-1.1">
> +   <!-- M-x doctor -->
> +   <content_attribute id="violence-fantasy">moderate</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="drugs-alcohol">mild</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="drugs-narcotics">mild</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="sex-themes">moderate</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="language-profanity">intense</content_attribute>
> +
> +   <!-- etc/JOKES -->
> +   <content_attribute id="language-humor">mild</content_attribute>
> +   <content_attribute id="sex-nudity">mild</content_attribute>
> +
> +   <!-- Gnus, rirc, etc. -->
> +   <content_attribute id="social-chat">intense</content_attribute>
> +
> +   <!-- M-x report-emacs-bug -->
> +   <content_attribute id="social-info">intense</content_attribute>
> + </content_rating>

I find this quite funny, but I'm genuinely curious how `M-x doctor`
ended up with

    <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>

Looks like I haven't pushed my psychoanalyst hard enough.


        Stefan

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN> writes:

>> + <!-- https://hughsie.github.io/oars/generate.html -->
>> + <content_rating type="oars-1.1">
>> +   <!-- M-x doctor -->
>> +   <content_attribute id="violence-fantasy">moderate</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="drugs-alcohol">mild</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="drugs-narcotics">mild</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="sex-themes">moderate</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="language-profanity">intense</content_attribute>
>> +
>> +   <!-- etc/JOKES -->
>> +   <content_attribute id="language-humor">mild</content_attribute>
>> +   <content_attribute id="sex-nudity">mild</content_attribute>
>> +
>> +   <!-- Gnus, rirc, etc. -->
>> +   <content_attribute id="social-chat">intense</content_attribute>
>> +
>> +   <!-- M-x report-emacs-bug -->
>> +   <content_attribute id="social-info">intense</content_attribute>
>> + </content_rating>
>
> I find this quite funny, but I'm genuinely curious how `M-x doctor`
> ended up with
>
>     <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>
>
> Looks like I haven't pushed my psychoanalyst hard enough.

Likewise.  I will have to contend with the consequences at my
organization when Emacs 31.1 is released and someone inevitably notices
these updated content ratings, which experience I am NOT anticipating
eagerly...

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On Sat, 19 Apr 2025, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> I find this quite funny, but I'm genuinely curious how `M-x doctor`
> ended up with
>
>    <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>

The ratings seem to be quite vague, and minimal guidance is provided.

I figured it was better to suggest a pessimistic interpretation of the rules as the starting point for doctor.el.  If it will hold a “conversation” with you about rape, perhaps that is a depiction of rape.  OTOH, if you’re the one supplying the depiction, perhaps it is not.  I have no objection if we prefer to drop the doctor.el-related ratings.

Still, I guess there’s a question about whether this stuff still belongs in Emacs.  The contents of etc/JOKES appears to pre-date the existence of the world wide web; I don’t think we’d consider adding anything like this today.  As for doctor.el, ELPA might be a better home.

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Peter Oliver <p.d.oliver@HIDDEN> writes:

> Still, I guess there=E2=80=99s a question about whether this stuff still
> belongs in Emacs.  The contents of etc/JOKES appears to pre-date the
> existence of the world wide web; I don=E2=80=99t think we=E2=80=99d consi=
der adding
> anything like this today.  As for doctor.el, ELPA might be a better
> home.

etc/JOKES appears harmless.  Please don't let's move doctor.el to ELPA;
bowdlerizing it I can personally accept, but you will meet with
objections elsewhere.

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What is the purpose of adding these to what we distribute?
It looks like some sort of cenorship system.

We should not blindly support this.  It is a political question
and calls for thought.  First we need to more about the situation.

Do you know what's going on here?  If so, can you please
explain it?
Who wants to include these things, and what reason does perse give?
What consequences would result from our including these things?
What consequences would result from our not including these things?


I also object to using the term "content" to refer to text,
which was adopted as the basis for censorship.



* etc/emacs.metainfo.xml: Add a <content_rating/> section.
---
 etc/emacs.metainfo.xml | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++
 1 file changed, 22 insertions(+)

diff --git a/etc/emacs.metainfo.xml b/etc/emacs.metainfo.xml
index ad29940a5c3..8414e9ac6ba 100644
--- a/etc/emacs.metainfo.xml
+++ b/etc/emacs.metainfo.xml
@@ -59,6 +59,28 @@
     <caption>Editing a Lisp program, whilst viewing the manual</caption>
   </screenshot>
  </screenshots>
+
+ <!-- https://hughsie.github.io/oars/generate.html -->
+ <content_rating type="oars-1.1">
+   <!-- M-x doctor -->
+   <content_attribute id="violence-fantasy">moderate</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="violence-sexual">intense</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="drugs-alcohol">mild</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="drugs-narcotics">mild</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="sex-themes">moderate</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="language-profanity">intense</content_attribute>
+
+   <!-- etc/JOKES -->
+   <content_attribute id="language-humor">mild</content_attribute>
+   <content_attribute id="sex-nudity">mild</content_attribute>
+
+   <!-- Gnus, rirc, etc. -->
+   <content_attribute id="social-chat">intense</content_attribute>
+
+   <!-- M-x report-emacs-bug -->
+   <content_attribute id="social-info">intense</content_attribute>
+ </content_rating>
+
  <update_contact>emacs-devel_AT_gnu.org</update_contact>
  <branding>
     <color type="primary" scheme_preference="light">#7f5ab6</color>

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